4.7 el prez

[Jake Di Vita]

Practicing today, just tried to go full auto. Production.

3.92

.82(!) draw, .15 .22 .17 .20 .17 1.34 .15 .19 .15 .20 .16

5 A, 3 C, 4 D

Going at this speed, I'm glad I just hit the paper 12 times.

[Steve Moneypenny]

not bad ...... for a B class shooter

[Jake Di Vita]

Thanks smoney, maybe someday when we both stop tanking classifiers we'll be A class.

[3quartertime]

With times like that I think you both will be 'baggers' in A!!!

[Steve Moneypenny]

Screw A class. i'm going for GM, don't care what my class is before i get there.

Back to practice!

[Jake Di Vita]

"A" class is but one small stepping stone on the way to greatness.

[Steve Moneypenny]

stepping stones are for those not brave enough to wade the watter. me, i'm putting on my sandals and taking a short cut.

since i am C in Limited.. wonder if i can go from C to GM in a year

[Jake Di Vita]

smoney, are you willing to go on that wager to who will make it to GM first? I'll admit if you can do it in a year, you'll probably stomp me.

[raven02003]

Fast.

[BigDave]

Ahhh Grasshopper:

Master and Grand Master are but mere titles.  True greatness has no title.

[Steve Anderson]

Interesting...

I wonder why we all want to be M's and GM's so bad...

Recognition, peer acceptance, ego?

Isn't Miculek unclassified in revolver? Hmmmmmm.

BTW, I wanna make M in prod next year. Oh yeah, and A in open.

Just to prove to myself I can hang.

SA

[Jake Di Vita]

The M's and GM's are basically the elites of IPSC. Titles do not matter, but at the same time they do. I think the desire to become a M or GM is a big reason for some shooters to stay hungry.

[Duane Thomas]

"I wonder why we all want to be M's and GM's so bad...

Recognition, peer acceptance, ego?"

Yes. Yes. Yes.

[Rich Bagoly]

Because it's there.

[tightloop]

Because it is better to look down at where you came from than up at where you have to go.

[TRNinTX]

This is reviving an old post, however.  IPSC G34 & I shot the IPSC match at the NRA HQ on Tuesday.  TJ was there and said he shot a 3.78 El Prez 3 pts down last month in a match.  That's smokin'!

There was a stage on Tuesday that had left to right a bowling pin, static, drop turner, static, & bowling pin.  You had to open a door to activate the drop turner and see the array.  TJ opened the door, came in on the left bowling pin and went left to right and still got his hits on the DT.  It was fun to watch.

[howardw]

Stupid Question... Can someone tell me what and IPSC El Prez is? I'm basically an IDPA shooter because that is what is local for me. When we shoot an El Prez the three targets are at 10 yards set at two yards apart. You start with you back to the targets and you have six rounds in the gun. You turn shoot two to each target, reload, and shoot two more to each target. So the reload is from slide lock. I generally don't count my time unless I shoot all A's. I've heard that in an IPSC El Prez the reload is not from slide lock. Anyway, could someone clarify this for me?

Thanks

[TRNinTX]

Everything is the same except you can make a speed load.

[howardw]

Thanks, that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure.

Howard

[BSeevers]

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Quote: from TRNinVA on 8:54 am on Dec. 12, 2002

TJ was there and said he shot a 3.78 El Prez 3 pts down last month in a match.  That's smokin'!

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3.78!!!!!!3 points!!!!!! That is amazing. I wasn't even there and I am excited.

[B.J. Norris]

I'd  be happy with 5.00 seconds 3 points down......... I think my best run in a match was like 6.50 6 points down. I've done it in a match in the 5 second range, but had a few mikes.

[Duane Thomas]

There are a few other differences between the USPSA and IDPA El Prez. In USPSA you must start with your toes hard up against the back of a shooting box. The targets are set up at a consistent height all the way across, 5" tall at the shoulders, whereas in IDPA they're staggered (if memory serves me correctly), from left to right 6", then 4", then 5". In USPSA the distance between targets is only 1 yard. Because of their closer spacing, and especially because they're all set up at the same height, I find it's much easier to get a fast "sweep" of the three targets in USPSA than IDPA. The slidelock reload instead of a slide forward reload slows you down a bit as well.

If you want to know exactly how the USPSA El Prez is set up, click here:

http://uspsa.org/classifiers/cm99-11.gif

[howardw]

Thanks, Duane. This is good news. I was starting to get a complex with some of these low times :-)

I just recently moved up to Master (IDPA SSP) and my El Prez's all clean are in the high 7 secs.

Thanks,

Howard

[howardw]

The A zone dimensions are different too. Area wise the IDPA A zone is smaller.

I've got to get all my excuses straight...

Howard

[Duane Thomas]

I'm not a math whiz, but I believe you're right:  the A-zone in USPSA is actually slightly larger, area-wise, than the IDPA down-0 circle. The A-zone is considerably taller, but also a bit narrower. As far as actual difficulty level I find they're about the same. Overall I'd say the IDPA down-0 circle set-up results in a "slower" target for most people, not because it's harder to hit on an empirical level but the knowledge that if you pull the shot slightly outside you've just added half a second to your time can be intimidating.

My best performance on the IDPA El Prez was 6.99 raw score, down one or two points, I can't remember which. How that happened was really kind of funny. As I was getting ready to shoot that string, the guy running the timer - who, God knows how, seems to have gotten the idea I'm a much better shooter than is actually the case - said to someone watching, "I'll bet THIS guy does it in about six seconds." Geez. And I was all set to just lope through with a semi-fast time and all the points. Well, you know after that I had to floor it. I literally don't think I could have done it any faster - and I was amazed the hits were, by and large, there. And my "fan" was happy when he checked the timer. At least it STARTED with a 6.