ysrracer Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 In the name of sky-ence, a Starline .38 Short Colt case will hold 11.75gr of Titegroup right up to the top. A Winchester 9mm case will hold 10.95gr right up to the top. Most people that load .38 Short Colt for use in .357 revolvers, just start with 9mm load data, and go up or down from there. I use 160gr Bayou bullets in both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW627Shooter Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I’m currently using 3.0 of TG under a 158 Berry’s RN. It is giving me 127 power factor and great accuracy out of my 627PC.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 Mine doesn't come close to that with plated bullets Name: .38 Short Colt: 158gr Berry's flat point: Titegroup 3.1gr Star Line Case 627 Notes: S&W 627 5" barrel 1.15 oal Federal primer Star Line case Titegroup 3.1gr Shots: 15 Average: 631 ft/s SD: 21 ft/s Min: 580 ft/s Max: 668 ft/s Spread: 88 ft/s Power Factor Average: 99 Power Factor Low: 91 Power Factor High: 105 Barometric Pressure: 29 in Hg Temperature: 73 F Weight: 158.0 gr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Yea Plated bullets in all of my guns seem to take about the same charge as Jacketed. And those numbers closely fit the % diff in charge needed for a comparable velocity between those two cartridges (but then the 9's I have are all Semi-Autos too). Now if you were a bench rest shooter the volume of the case vs the % of charge becomes a huge factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW627Shooter Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Mine doesn't come close to that with plated bullets Name: .38 Short Colt: 158gr Berry's flat point: Titegroup 3.1gr Star Line Case 627Notes: S&W 627 5" barrel1.15 oalFederal primerStar Line caseTitegroup 3.1grShots: 15Average: 631 ft/sSD: 21 ft/sMin: 580 ft/sMax: 668 ft/sSpread: 88 ft/sPower Factor Average: 99Power Factor Low: 91Power Factor High: 105Barometric Pressure: 29 in HgTemperature: 73 FWeight: 158.0 gr.The only difference I can see is I am putting a slight taper crimp on my loads. OAL, case, and primers are the exact same.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 Yeah, my 627 always chrono's slow. It has since it was brand new. My gunsmith slugged the barrel, chambers, throats, and checked the barrel and barrel gap. It's all fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchapman Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 9 hours ago, ysrracer said: Yeah, my 627 always chrono's slow. It has since it was brand new. My gunsmith slugged the barrel, chambers, throats, and checked the barrel and barrel gap. It's all fine. One of my 627s with a 5 inch is slow also, I have a 4 inch 627 and it is way faster than the 5. As ffar as power factor the same load comes in at 119pf in the 5 in. and 128pf in the 4 in go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 22 hours ago, ysrracer said: Yeah, my 627 always chrono's slow. It has since it was brand new. My gunsmith slugged the barrel, chambers, throats, and checked the barrel and barrel gap. It's all fine. they are so varied its crazy my wifes 627 is 10 to 15 PF slower than mine depending on the load, so I spend a lot of time shooting 140+ PF ammo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 .38 Short Colt in my 627 Name: .38 Short Colt: 125gr Berry's flat point: Titegroup 4.0gr Star Line Case 627 Notes: S&W 627 5" barrel 1.075 oal Federal primer Star Line case Shots: 9 Average: 950 ft/s SD: 21 ft/s Min: 920 ft/s Max: 983 ft/s Spread: 63 ft/s Power Factor Average: 118 Power Factor Low: 115 Power Factor High: 122 Weight: 125.0 gr. The exact same load from the same batch on the same day in my 929 (5" barrel) Name: .38 Short Colt: 125gr Berry's flat point: Titegroup 4.0gr Star Line Case 929 Notes: S&W 929 5" barrel 1.075 oal Federal primer Star Line case Shots: 6 Average: 1046 ft/s SD: 7 ft/s Min: 1037 ft/s Max: 1058 ft/s Spread: 21 ft/s Power Factor Average: 130 Power Factor Low: 129 Power Factor High: 132 Weight: 125.0 gr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makicjf Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 54 minutes ago, ysrracer said: .38 Short Colt in my 627 Name: .38 Short Colt: 125gr Berry's flat point: Titegroup 4.0gr Star Line Case 627 Notes: S&W 627 5" barrel 1.075 oal Federal primer Star Line case Shots: 9 Average: 950 ft/s SD: 21 ft/s Min: 920 ft/s Max: 983 ft/s Spread: 63 ft/s Power Factor Average: 118 Power Factor Low: 115 Power Factor High: 122 Weight: 125.0 gr. The exact same load from the same batch on the same day in my 929 (5" barrel) Name: .38 Short Colt: 125gr Berry's flat point: Titegroup 4.0gr Star Line Case 929 Notes: S&W 929 5" barrel 1.075 oal Federal primer Star Line case Shots: 6 Average: 1046 ft/s SD: 7 ft/s Min: 1037 ft/s Max: 1058 ft/s Spread: 21 ft/s Power Factor Average: 130 Power Factor Low: 129 Power Factor High: 132 Weight: 125.0 gr. Could the difference, in this instance, be the free bore before the bullet seals the throat, allowing gas to escape the 627? The amount of free bore in the 929 will be much less,which could equate to less lost gas. In a 627 to comparison,that should not matter. Different throat dimensions, greater cylinder gap, etc could account for velocity disparities, in those cases. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Makicjf said: Could the difference, in this instance, be the free bore before the bullet seals the throat, allowing gas to escape the 627? The amount of free bore in the 929 will be much less,which could equate to less lost gas. In a 627 to comparison,that should not matter. Different throat dimensions, greater cylinder gap, etc could account for velocity disparities, in those cases. Jason yes but with my 2 627s the slower one has similar throats and less cylinder gap. some barrels are just faster or slower than others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) Could be. These make ICORE power factor in my friend's 627. A little low in mine. Name: .38 Short Colt: Titegroup 2.8gr, 158gr Berry's Bullet Notes: Mike R. gave me these to try. Shots: 7 Average: 734 ft/s SD: 15 ft/s Min: 702 ft/s Max: 746 ft/s Spread: 44 ft/s Power Factor Average: 116 Power Factor Low: 110 Power Factor High: 117 Weight: 158.0 gr. OAL: 1.95 Edited September 14, 2020 by ysrracer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Maybe shorten them up a little? I'm running: SNS 160gr RN coated 2.95gr of Titegroup Starline .38 Short Colt brass Federal SPP COL: 1.175" All measurements taken from a 5" 627: Av: 835 fps (133.6 PF) Min: 784 fps Max: 873 fps ES: 62 SD: 25 The SD number tightened up when I switched to a different gun; I think this one had on oversized charge hole. Changing to my 6" 627 upped the average speed to 848 (135.7 PF). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 I load mine to 1.15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 hours ago, ysrracer said: OAL: 1.95 1 hour ago, ysrracer said: I load mine to 1.15 You see my confusion, lol. In that case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 hours ago, ysrracer said: Could be. These make ICORE power factor in my friend's 627. A little low in mine. Name: .38 Short Colt: Titegroup 2.8gr, 158gr Berry's Bullet Notes: Mike R. gave me these to try. See above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, ysrracer said: I load mine to 1.15 Depending on the bullet. With 160 Bayou's at under 1.17 I've had a few bulge too much at the base of the bullet, to the point they wouldn't chamber. Never pulled the bullet to see if it might have been a bit over sized. But at 1.175 and above I've not seen the issue. With lighter bullets the issues didn't show up either, no surprise. Luckily the 4" 627 Pro I picked up shoots my 160 Bayou's 25 to 30 f/s slower than the 5" PC. Which is what I wanted. Both give higher velocities than my 1970's 6" M28 though. Edited September 15, 2020 by pskys2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 20 hours ago, pskys2 said: Depending on the bullet. With 160 Bayou's at under 1.17 I've had a few bulge too much at the base of the bullet, to the point they wouldn't chamber. Never pulled the bullet to see if it might have been a bit over sized. But at 1.175 and above I've not seen the issue. Damn, now you tell me. Yep I've got some that will chamber as singles, but not in a moon clip Good thing I just ordered 500 cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 22 hours ago, pskys2 said: Depending on the bullet. With 160 Bayou's at under 1.17 I've had a few bulge too much at the base of the bullet, to the point they wouldn't chamber. Never pulled the bullet to see if it might have been a bit over sized. But at 1.175 and above I've not seen the issue. Man, that was close. I almost pulled a "Wayne Nordwell" A 160gr Bayou seated at 1.20 seems to work in my gun. Now I "have" to go back to the range to do more chrono work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 hours ago, ysrracer said: Man, that was close. I almost pulled a "Wayne Nordwell" A 160gr Bayou seated at 1.20 seems to work in my gun. Now I "have" to go back to the range to do more chrono work I settled on 1.180". Have seen little difference in velocity between 1.170 and 1.190. And my records show no difference at 1.200, note I went clear out to 1.255 with one load! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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