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So this happened today. A fellow on his classifier reshoot has a round flip into the chamber backwards from the mag. Yes backwards as in the bullet was facing the breech face. He quit and asked the RO what does he do now. The shooter could not clear that round from the gun. What is the proper way for the RO to handle this? Technically it is a loaded round in the gun,when the shooter goes to the safe area and clears the weapon, hrs then handling live ammo at the safe table.

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  I have seen it done two ways. Once the RM (insert RO, CRO, MD for locals) went with shooter to safety area and allowed shooter to work on gun.

  Another time there were plenty of tables that were not safety areas and MD (local) stayed there with shooter until cleared.

  Actually there was a third scenario but I’m not going to mention it here. PM me if you want to know how things are really done.😎

  

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Using reasoning and common sense is the way to handle the unexpected or undocumented. Safe the weapon as much as possible (slide disassembly if possible), holster and call the range clear, escort the shooter to an area where he can work on it under supervision.

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I have seen multiple times even at larger matches where a 2011 basically disintegrated and locked up right with a round in the chamber. RM (substitute MD local) just had the shooter bag it and went to his car with him. The rules specifically don’t allow it but if a gun needs a gunsmith to get it Open there really isn’t an option.

 

  

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Under 5.7.4, if the shooter is unable to clear a malfunction within 2 minutes, the competitor’s course of fire is scored as shot. 

 

Under 5.7.5, the competitor is not allowed to leave the course of fire with a loaded firearm. 

 

Under common sense, scenarios exist where the competitor is unable to get the firearm unloaded in a safe manner.

 

As the RO, at this point (after the 2 minutes or the competitor gives up), I would first attempt to coach the competitor through clearing the malfunction, if I know how. Next, I would, under very limited circumstances, consider carefully taking the firearm from them and fixing the problem

myself, although I would prefer to avoid this if at all possible due to the risks involved. After that, I would (with permission from the MD/RM if leaving the bay) escort the shooter to a safe place to continue working on the problem- for example, a berm in an unused bay. If the shooter was still unable to solve the problem, I would, with the MD/RM’s permission, have them bag the gun and take it to their car. 

 

I’ve never been the RO in this scenario, but I have been the shooter in a similar scenario. In my case the gun was stuck just out of battery- wouldn’t go into battery but also couldn’t get it to rack open. Eventually we were able to force the gun into battery and then fire the stuck round. 

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1 hour ago, Sarge said:

I have seen multiple times even at larger matches where a 2011 basically disintegrated and locked up right with a round in the chamber. RM (substitute MD local) just had the shooter bag it and went to his car with him. The rules specifically don’t allow it but if a gun needs a gunsmith to get it Open there really isn’t an option.

 Try saying that on the open forum. 😂

  

If it is locked up, it is locked up, rules don't have an option for this, what are you going to do,  stay there forever?

 

Bag it and let the professionals deal with it.

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6 minutes ago, bret said:

If it is locked up, it is locked up, rules don't have an option for this, what are you going to do,  stay there forever?

 

Bag it and let the professionals deal with it.

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13 hours ago, bret said:

If it is locked up, it is locked up, rules don't have an option for this, what are you going to do,  stay there forever?

 

Bag it and let the professionals deal with it.

 

I agree. I think it is more common tho to have a situation where the gun can't reasonably be cleared on the firing line, with the squad waiting, and no table to work on, but it can probably be cleared with the right work surface and tools. Best solution is if you have an unused bay with a table nearby, an RO can escort the shooter there and make sure the gun is safely cleared and dealt with. If that is not available, and the only feasible option is a safety area, there is no real issue with an RO directing a shooter to use the safety area under RO supervision, but I would far rather a non-safety area that is safe.

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