Shootymacshootface Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 My bolt weight came loose at a match today. Turned my gun to a single shot for the last 2 stadges (steel challenge). What are the pros and cons for running without the weight in the bolt? Link to comment
mmlook Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 running with less weight will increase the bolt/cycle speed. may cause feeding/ejection problems if the bolt moves too fast. you can always compensate by running a heavier buffer though Link to comment
1911luvr Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 My bolt weight came loose at a match today. Turned my gun to a single shot for the last 2 stadges (steel challenge). What are the pros and cons for running without the weight in the bolt? How did your weight come loose? Isn’t it held in place With a roll pin that runs perpendicular to the bore? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment
Shootymacshootface Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 Yup, it sheared. My set up is an A2 stock with an 8oz carbine buffer, a 223 carbine spring, some delrin spacers with wave springs. I have it set up to short stroke. It shoots like my 10/22. Link to comment
longbeard Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 It's all feel. Obviously a lighter bolt and buffer means less reciprocating mass. The con is that too light and you can create a dangerous situation. The AR9 has no locking mechanism to keep the bolt closed during ignition. It needs weight and spring tension.I'm at 17oz. Combined buffer/bcg weight. No issues. Nice and soft. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment
SJMPCC022 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I have the Taccom3 buffer system and tried it with and without the BCG weight. Much softer and smoother with the weight out, but as stated above it is a relationship between your BCG, the buffer system and your ammo. Only you can answer your question ..................................................... Link to comment
Shootymacshootface Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 Thanks guys, right now im shooting 115gr berrys w/ 4.3gr of Unique. It's a bunny fart. I'll try it tomorrow without the weight. If there are any feeding problems i will remove a spacer to restore the bolt hold open and try it that way. I think i still have about 18oz of bolt and buffer. Link to comment
mmlook Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 43 minutes ago, Shootymacshootface said: Thanks guys, right now im shooting 115gr berrys w/ 4.3gr of Unique. It's a bunny fart. I'll try it tomorrow without the weight. If there are any feeding problems i will remove a spacer to restore the bolt hold open and try it that way. I think i still have about 18oz of bolt and buffer. with an 8oz. buffer you should be ok Link to comment
stick Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Shootymacshootface said: Yup, it sheared. My set up is an A2 stock with an 8oz carbine buffer, a 223 carbine spring, some delrin spacers with wave springs. I have it set up to short stroke. It shoots like my 10/22. The Roll pin sheared? In my Taccom, the roll pin is pretty thick. I tried mine with and without the weight. I like the weight in. I'm running the Taccom 3 stage with the short stroke kit and 124gr handloads. Link to comment
Shootymacshootface Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 Well, i shot it without the weight today. It had more recoil and i kept getting fte's, probably 3 or 4 per 30 round mag. Im going to put the weight back in with locktight on the body and retest. Also, i will be working up a new load probably with tightgroup powder. Here is what i have on hand one pound or more. Tightgroup Hp38 700x American select Wsf Wsl Wst I think tightgroup is the way to go only because it is very popular and easy to find. Ill be sticking with a 115gr plated bullet. Here is my buffer set up. It was working great untill i shot a match with it. I think that i need to just put the weight back in and retest. Link to comment
mmlook Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 same happened to me when I ran my taccom extreme bolt with the weight removed. you can either: - add mass from the bolt to the buffer - lighten the buffer spring - retune your load to the new lighter reciprocating mass there's always the option of going with a heavy bolt that doesn't have a weight i.e. JP Bolt Link to comment
Shootymacshootface Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 Thanks for the idea! I can just replace the delrin head on the buffer with a heavier steel one. Link to comment
SJMPCC022 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) I also have the Taccom3 buffer and tried the bolt both ways, it was much softer without the weight. I never had even one failure to do anything that I thought was causd by the weight being out of the bolt. All the problems I have had, and they have been very few and far between are mag related. Now..................my experience with Titegroup has been it is very snappy. Take that for what it's worth but I am guessing you know what I mean ? 115gr plated bullets from Xtreme.................... 3.0gr Clays 3.5gr Universal 4.2gr Power Pistol 4.8gr IMR 4756 All achieved decent minor PF velocity with soft or hardly any recoil. Granted, that is my barrel, my gun, my chronograph. You should always verify for yourself but these are all powders I had that I tried and they all worked. 4 hours ago, Shootymacshootface said: I think tightgroup is the way to go only because it is very popular and easy to find Edited September 17, 2018 by SJMPCC022 Link to comment
Aircooled6racer Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Hello: leave the weight out and take out some of your spacers so it gets a longer stroke. You maybe getting bolt bounce. You can also use a 308 spring as well. I run my setups in the 18-21oz range with no problems. Thanks, Eric Link to comment
Shootymacshootface Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 I just weighed everything and it comes out to 18.1oz. The weight that was in the bolt was just over 2oz and i can get that back easily by making a new head for the buffer instead of the delrin part i have there now. I like having the rifle length butt because there is plenty of room to try different things. I also found a couple of pounds of Clays powder that i can try. I guess that i will load a little of everything to start out with to see what powder seems bestand go from there. Once i find a load I'm happy with and works the gun I'll play with different springs. Thanks! Link to comment
Shootymacshootface Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Aircooled6racer said: Hello: leave the weight out and take out some of your spacers so it gets a longer stroke. You maybe getting bolt bounce. You can also use a 308 spring as well. I run my setups in the 18-21oz range with no problems. Thanks, Eric I will definitely take a vid of the bolt closing to check for a bounce. Thanks! Link to comment
Aircooled6racer Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Hello: Be very careful with Clays in 9mm and 40. It is a very fast powder for those calibers. I would use your Tite Group or WST around 3.5 grains to start with 115's. Chrono to see what you get out of your barrel setup. Thanks, Eric Link to comment
Shootymacshootface Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 Thanks Eric! Link to comment
JAFO Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, Shootymacshootface said: I will definitely take a vid of the bolt closing to check for a bounce. Thanks! I think he may be referring to the bolt bouncing off the spacers at the rear of travel. I had that and with my original setup, and it manifested with noticeable up and right dot movement. Edited September 17, 2018 by JAFO Link to comment
Shootymacshootface Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 Thanks for the heads up. I hadn't thought about the back bouncing. Link to comment
Shootymacshootface Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 I finally had some time to make a new head for my buffer. It weighs 4.2oz. The weight that was in my bolt was 2oz. Total bolt/buffer weight now is 21.9oz. I also re-enabled my lrbho, which i missed. I think the too light bolt was closing faster than the brass could get out of the way. There are (3) 25lb wave springs in my tube between 2 delrin spacers and the buffer head. I really think the spring under the buffer head will act as a cushion for everything behind it. The wave springs all sit on a shoulder so they don't get crushed and i can remove them without changing buffer spacing. Can't wait to test it! Thanks everyone. Link to comment
1911luvr Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Well, i shot it without the weight today. It had more recoil and i kept getting fte's, probably 3 or 4 per 30 round mag. Im going to put the weight back in with locktight on the body and retest. Also, i will be working up a new load probably with tightgroup powder. Here is what i have on hand one pound or more. Tightgroup Hp38 700x American select Wsf Wsl Wst I think tightgroup is the way to go only because it is very popular and easy to find. Ill be sticking with a 115gr plated bullet. Here is my buffer set up. It was working great untill i shot a match with it. I think that i need to just put the weight back in and retest. Judging from the photo I’d say you had FTE’s because your rifle is way over sprung for your bolt weight. I’m sure if you took out two of those spacers the problem would be gone. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment
Shootymacshootface Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 That makes total sense. I didnt have any problems until i lost that 2oz bolt weight. Link to comment
SJMPCC022 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 8:33 PM, 1911luvr said: Judging from the photo I’d say you had FTE’s because your rifle is way over sprung for your bolt weight. I’m sure if you took out two of those spacers the problem would be gone. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I have the weight out of my bcg and it is MUCH better than with it in! ( Taccom3 buffer system) A FTE happens for one reason, the bolt didn't go far enough rearward to spit the case out. Now , two things could cause this............ over sprung buffer or underpowered ammo.( if it stuck in the chamber, quit reloading and buy factory ammo !) This whole deal sure is a puzzle with moving parts, isn't it ? Fun as hell, but very frustrating ! Link to comment
Shootymacshootface Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 11 hours ago, SJMPCC022 said: I have the weight out of my bcg and it is MUCH better than with it in! ( Taccom3 buffer system) A FTE happens for one reason, the bolt didn't go far enough rearward to spit the case out. Now , two things could cause this............ over sprung buffer or underpowered ammo.( if it stuck in the chamber, quit reloading and buy factory ammo !) This whole deal sure is a puzzle with moving parts, isn't it ? Fun as hell, but very frustrating ! Meh, i dont give up easy. I kinda like experimenting. I got the gun to work with the heavy buffer head, but not with the wave spring under it. Im still not happy with the recoil now. It was awesome with the weight in the bolt, the delrin buffer head, and the 3 wave springs. Before i go back to that set up, i may go back to this buffer i made for a rifle length spring and tube. Link to comment
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