Flexmoney Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 If you motivation is to make/keep the women happy...a step in the right direction is to provide good restroom facilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Don't forget adequate closet space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipster Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 What Women? You mean on the Shooting range. That's OUTRAGEOUS, surly you jest Our outdoor plumbing is the best. That's it I'm a leaving town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 If I could get my wife a clean bathroom at the range, I know I could get her to try this stuff...as is she won't even come watch. SA (Edited by Steve Anderson at 11:26 am on July 12, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 You mean trees just don't cut it anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Trees are good for shade. Thats the next "need" along with comfortable seating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPSC CHIK1 Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 as long as men find womens' need for clean toilet facilities to be a joke,you will be seen as social outcasts and out of the mainstream, as you are now. it is no joke. if you want to be seen as what you are, the majority, then stop acting like idiots. Sharon Anne L 2387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 We are humourously pointing out that restroom facilities suck, even for men. Usually for a big match there is not enough, nor are they maintained, especially at the smaller clubs. You can't take things written here too seriously, this forum, aside from maybe the "Hate" topic, tries to keep things lighthearted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 Thanks for explaining "guy humor" Pat. There is also a matter of priorities. In most clubs you only have a few people doing all of the work. I have literally taken a fire truck (I am a volunteer fire fighter) out to the public range to hose the inside of the rest room facilities out. But I am so busy building props, laying out classifiers, doing stats, and so on that the rest rooms become a low priority. I think people who have clean rest rooms at the top of their priority list need to pitch in and help to keep them clean. Unfortunately, those same folks often times find the idea of actually cleaning the out house degrading and below thier station in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 Our club has spent the last five years scraping up the funding, arguing over design, and luring shooters in off the street to pay our outrageous match fees, to build a clubhouse with indoor plumbing. When it is up, we will be IPSC gods, as well as Pin shooting gods. You are all invited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted November 25, 2002 Author Share Posted November 25, 2002 Sharon, The idea for this post was to bring the problem to people's attention. I hope you aren't calling the posters here idiots (not that we aren't, you just don't know us that well...yet ). Please be careful with the generalized labels. We try to be a polite bunch. Now, for those that really don't care about the women at the range...for them, you likely used the wrong term. Idiot would denote that they don't understand. The people you refer to sound apathetic (please use an "a" word when referring to them). If you would like to "go off" on this topic...take it to the "hate forum". It would make a good thread there. (great place to vent too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 An interim solution might be to simply reserve one or more of the outdoor WC's for women only. At least the girls would have something marginally clean. Not perfect, but better. And better is better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 o.k., let me get this straight: When IPSC ranges provide clean ladies' bathrooms, we are going to see a surge of lady shooters show up? All these years it was *that* simple??? --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPSC CHIK1 Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 yes Dear Detlef it REALLY is that simple. you want a girl to participate in an activity, give her a clean private place to pee. Sharon Anne L 2387 PS, i said stop ACTING like idiots. you cannot handle a firearm safely and be an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 The vast majority of women I've ever met consider guns to be violent. End of story. Most don't see it as a sport just something violent that "little boys" like to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 I am lucky enough to have a wife that is as interested in shooting as I am (it sure makes all those little extras easier to acquire). Her enthusiasm for the sport perseveres despite the primitive bathroom facilities, but it remains a major issue for her and all the other women in the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 Lots of women I know actually would be into shooting, but they perceive it as a "boys only" sport. If there were sanitary facilities at the range for them to use, at least they would feel less inhibited to come and hang out. No one's saying that this will bring in the babes in droves. At least women then might we willing to come and see that it's about more than the macho, combat crap. If you want to grow the sport, you need to make it so that families will come and want to spend a saturday. In order to do that, you need to make women feel welcome. I'm just a guy, but I'm guessing that clean, safe, and comfortable just might top their list of womens' prerequisites for participation. This is just based on a couple decades of observation. I could be totally wrong though... (Edited by EricW at 2:52 pm on Nov. 25, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 well Sharon, I hate to tell you, but "you girls" can agree no more on anything than "us guys". Yes, TIS, most ladies that I know would put shooting at the bottom of the list of things to do...even if it's an indoor range in a luxurious hotel with golden toilet seats... --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPSC CHIK1 Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 Detlef it is apparent you have yet to meet the right lady. good luck Sharon Anne L2387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 Detlef, sorry to disagree. My Mom finally got into shooting. The clincher was a nice, clean indoor range with female owner behind the counter. That made the whole thing palatable to her. Some (certainly not all) women are interested in shooting, but won't. Why? They're just not interested in going to a filthy, run-down gravel pit and being barked and bitched at by range Nazis. As long as that keeps up, just plan on having 10-25% fewer shooters than IPSC possibly could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 and those 10-25% are all women?? I don't buy it... I also used to do competitive ballroom dancing, there the scale is tipped to the other extreme. Maybe I just had a new business idea? Sharon, you may be right but I cannot admit here because I don't know who might eavesdrop... --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1b Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Holy Hotdogs Batman - what a can of worms! Hey - I hate pissin at the range and I don't have to squat. When you go into China (and I mean IN China) they have a hole for guys or girls - it makes you truly appreciate a good facility. It also improves leg strength. I don't know what it is that motivates women to come to the range. My best guess - its a combination of all things. Lets face it - there are plenty of guys who don't shoot matches either and that probably has nothing to do with the facilities. I've dated a few women who did shoot - my wife doesn't - I personally have no clue what it would take to get more out to the range. I hope we can get more out there though. It would greatly improve the image of the sport. JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Sue & I have more clubs than we have time to shoot at. The ranges with the worst facilities are the ones we dump first. We shoot at 3 IDPA clubs that have his & hers inside bathrooms with hot & cold running water. Those are the ones we go too most. Besides, I would rather go indoors rather than behind a tree. Bill Nesbitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Quote: from j1b on 4:49 pm on Nov. 25, 2002 When you go into China (and I mean IN China) they have a hole for guys or girls - Believe it or not, it's the same in France and (as I understand) many other places in Europe. Yet another stellar reason to never go back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonedaddy Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 These questions seem to have gone unresolved for centuries. Hamlet, Prince of Denmark also had to wrestle with the weighty matters of being next in line for the throne. "To pee, or not to pee: that is the ques- tion: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of out-house fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them?" Now, I'm not advocating that anyone take up arms against this particular "sea of troubles". All joking aside, we really do need to have clean, sanitary, restrooms. It's just a matter of consideration for the people we care about, our Moms & sisters & wives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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