motosapiens Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 On 12/4/2016 at 10:12 AM, IHAVEGAS said: Hmmm, so you are saying that the new guys see the obvious problem with the rules and then give up & roll with the flow rather than try and fix it? It would be more accurate to say that new guys show up unprepared and would initially rather make the sport more limp-wristed instead of gripping their guns like a grown man. Usually after a few matches tho they harden the heck up and start holding on tighter (and buy an appropriate gun for competition). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronArcher Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 .....which is exactly what you are trying to do. Which is exactly what major scoring does.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Gooldylocks said: Talking about yourself in the 3rd person like that is very creepy and weird, just fyi creepy and weird? that's what she said! I'm not *forced* to shoot minor, I just do it for the high senior plaques. My mom is super proud of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, IronArcher said: Which is exactly what major scoring does. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro No. It is what making minor (the wrong tool for the job, i.e. the iron off the tee in our example) get more points is doing. "Oh, well the full length tees are here at these white ones, and then the ladies' tees are up there next to the red markers, so why don't you just go ahead and walk another 30 yards or so past that and give'er a smack, that ought to make it fair since you decided a 5 iron is the right club for this par 5" Edited December 6, 2016 by Gooldylocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 6 hours ago, teros135 said: "That's that"? Wanna bet? Even though it's all been said in these 7 pages (so far), over and over? Can't blame me this time !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronArcher Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 No. It is what making minor (the wrong tool for the job, i.e. the iron off the tee in our example) get more points is doing. "Oh, well the full length tees are here at these white ones, and then the ladies' tees are up there next to the red markers, so why don't you just go ahead and walk another 30 yards or so past that and give'er a smack, that ought to make it fair since you decided a 5 iron is the right club for this par 5"You realize major, gets more points for B/C/D hits right?Moving the tees closer.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) 10 hours ago, IronArcher said: You realize major, gets more points for B/C/D hits right? Moving the tees closer. right, because major has much more stopping powerz, so only one shot from the mighty 40 will rip an assailant's arm right off, even if it doesn't hit him, but just flies by closely. You appear to be advocating for bb guns and spitballs to get the same consideration, but the 40 will rip someone's arm off at 100 yards, whereas the bb gun will only annoy old ladies and stray cats at like 10 yards, so yeah, moving the tees closer. You could also put a little fridge there at the close tees with wine coolers, or cosmopolitans. Edited December 6, 2016 by motosapiens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Why can't we give likes on this forum. Just, why Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronArcher Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 6 hours ago, IronArcher said: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Now you have done it, since that one came first then all should be forced to use it just like it is forever. Hellfire and damnation and torrents of anal seepage would follow if somebody ever said they thought folks should be free to choose their preferred color for the sleeve or make one that was mirror image or left handed. We have it, it is like it is for no good reason, and that's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronArcher Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Kinda like major/minor scoring.Sorry, had to [emoji28]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 16 minutes ago, IronArcher said: Kinda like major/minor scoring. Yep. You get one shot at each division and if you screw it up completely then that must be the will of the universe at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 The only people who think Limited is screwed up are IDPA shooters who are new to USPSA and have the wrong tool for the job. Now they want thousands of USPSA shooters to cater to them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWprotected Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 What Racinready said , or its people who want to build a 3 gun pistol but want to shoot limited in USPSA. I like 9mm I have a 2011 in 9mm but its for open. If you want to shoot the division set up the equipment to suit the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 16 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said: The only people who think Limited is screwed up are IDPA shooters who are new to USPSA and have the wrong tool for the job. I must be someone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCTaylor Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Anyone else a Family Guy fan? Know Bruce? Then you'll understand this timely and eloquent reference... I don't care! Sack up or shut up. Seriously. Okay or get the damn rules changed and quit yer bitchen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, IHAVEGAS said: I must be someone else It was a joke, more of a dig at IronArcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 40 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said: It was a joke, more of a dig at IronArcher. No worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronArcher Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 IronArcher doesn't have the wrong tool for the job.That doesn't preclude him from engaging in a logical discussion on rules, even if such discussions are rhetorical.Wow! It IS kinda creepy to refer to yourself in the third person. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with something like this. Not that long ago no one thought CO would ever be a thing, but here we are. Before that we added 8 shot minor to Revo and completely flipped the balance of power, making the 625 go from king of the hill to obsolete. PCC wasn't even a blip on the radar, it became pretty controversial and it's now a division. So we may as well get on board now and start coming up with ideas. My idea....We need to slow the sport down, guys shoot major and just hose away at targets with out really aiming and can still beat better more accurate shooters who are running minor. My solution is transition to time plus scoring, no more major or minor. We will make the A zone add zero seconds to your score. The B/C will add one second. The D zone will add 3 seconds. This should force shooters to use their sights more and really start to aim. I bet we will even be able to draw shooters from other disciplines too. So it's a win/win really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Racinready300ex said: My idea....We need to slow the sport down, guys shoot major and just hose away at targets with out really aiming and can still beat better more accurate shooters who are running minor. My solution is transition to time plus scoring, no more major or minor. We will make the A zone add zero seconds to your score. The B/C will add one second. The D zone will add 3 seconds. This should force shooters to use their sights more and really start to aim. I bet we will even be able to draw shooters from other disciplines too. So it's a win/win really. There is already a sport designed to cater to old slow people like that, and it sucks. if you really think guys are hosing away without aiming, and you want to put a bigger premium on accuracy, design some stages that require a little accuracy. In my area, if you hose without aiming, you hit lots of no-shoots and hardcover mikes and you run to slidelock while missing at steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLDave Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 moto', I think there is a distinct possibility that your sarcasm detector needs calibration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 4 minutes ago, motosapiens said: There is already a sport designed to cater to old slow people like that, and it sucks. if you really think guys are hosing away without aiming, and you want to put a bigger premium on accuracy, design some stages that require a little accuracy. In my area, if you hose without aiming, you hit lots of no-shoots and hardcover mikes and you run to slidelock while missing at steel. Moto, Dave is on to something.... But, people in this thread have made the point that major shooters don't aim so we need more minor. Of course I would wonder if major shooters can win with out aiming and that is a problem how will bringing minor up to be more competitive fix anything? Wouldn't that mean minor shooters could then win with out aiming too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 4 minutes ago, ATLDave said: moto', I think there is a distinct possibility that your sarcasm detector needs calibration. curses. I should have known, but it looked so much like the serious posts earlier in this thread, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 curses. I should have known, but it looked so much like the serious posts earlier in this thread, lol.Pretty sure that's a Delta Mike-No Shoot on the ol sarcasm detection haha. Must be one of those major shooters that just wins without aiming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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