ChuckS Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I would say ask DNROI. "PCC 5.1.12 See appendix D8. All other handgun equipment rules apply to PCC" In D8 you have the following: "6 Must have stock attached and be capable of being fired from shoulder position. **Note: Sig Brace and any variant thereof is not allowed** Yes, see 5.1.10." I guess the "yes" is meant to reinforce the need for a stock but then it refers you to this" "5.1.10 Handguns with shoulder stocks and/or fore grips of any kind are prohibited." So I guess that the second part of 5.1.10 applies... Maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdug Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I would say ask DNROI. "PCC 5.1.12 See appendix D8. All other handgun equipment rules apply to PCC" In D8 you have the following: "6 Must have stock attached and be capable of being fired from shoulder position. **Note: Sig Brace and any variant thereof is not allowed** Yes, see 5.1.10." I guess the "yes" is meant to reinforce the need for a stock but then it refers you to this" "5.1.10 Handguns with shoulder stocks and/or fore grips of any kind are prohibited." So I guess that the second part of 5.1.10 applies... Maybe... I don't see the correlation to 5.1.10. If applied, PCC would thus be illegal, since they have stocks. You can't cut paste parts of rules to other rules to make a quasi rule. Either all of the rule applies or it doesn't. It is okay to say no there isn't a rule against it.When it comes to PCC there is no advantage with a vertical fore grip other than the Hollywood factor. It makes you slower, you are not able to drive the gun, and it puts a lot of strain on the wrist. A hand stop is a better option. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Garrett Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 11 minutes ago, Rangerdug said: I don't see the correlation to 5.1.10... I don't see the correlation to 5.1.10... I don't see the correlation to 5.1.10... I don't see the correlation to 5.1.10... I don't see the correlation to 5.1.10... DQ: full-auto keyboard. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdug Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Lesson, don't keep hitting reply with the spinning wheel is present. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 But by definition it's not a hand gun... it does have a stock and the fore end itself is a fore grip.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 You guys keep trying to twist the rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdug Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 But by definition it's not a hand gun... it does have a stock and the fore end itself is a fore grip....That was my repeated original point. You can't pick an choose parts of rules to fit a narrative. It either applies in context or not at all. In this case there is no rule against it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 And I just got my email from Troy/DNROI: This item is not prohibited in the PCC Appendix. Not a problem. Regards, Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 screen shot of this morning's email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Well, OK. Good to know. I don't have a problem with it either way, but since I only Production, I'm guilty of looking at equipment rules in the "if it isn't specifically allowed, you can't do it" mentality rather than "if it isn't prohibited, you can do it" line of thought. I'll try to work on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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