RAZZ Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 I was just wondering if I could get some advice on some practice 223 ammo. I put a case of WOLF through my Bushmaster with no problems at all, but that was before I heard all of the nasty things about the laquer finish doing bad things to rifles. The cost is appealing, but I dont want to ruin my AR. Any suggestions for inexpensive plinking ammo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 S&B can usually be found for $160 per 1000 (sometimes less) and it seems to work pretty well in the AR's I have tried it in (Bushmaster, DPMS, and ASA). -jhgtyre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogmaDog Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 I don't think the Wolf stuff will actually ruin anything...it will just gum up your rifle sooner than non-laquered ammo would. That said, decent ammo is available for not too much more. S&B is good. Most military surplus stuff should be fine as well. Semper fi, DogmaDog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted November 18, 2002 Share Posted November 18, 2002 I get South Africa PMP 55 Gr reloadable for $129 per 1000 and pick it up local so no shipping although that might be their shipped price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Hey Guys: BEWARE!!! S&B has blown up two rifles that I have been present to see, and one I heared about from very reliable sourses!!! And it was not just one lot. One was fairly mild and only cost an extractor to fix and a new magazine. The other sprung the lower reciever blew the bolt in two pieces and destroyed the extractor and mag. $250 got the rifle running again and we were very lucky to save the lower. The third rifle was a catastophic failure and a total loss, I did get to see the box o junk. The good news is that no one was hurt and S&B was very happy to replace the ammo at no cost except it was with more S&B. They did pay for the repairs to my friends rifle, I don't know about the third. BE CAREFUL KURT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Winchester Q3131 or Q3131A. $180/K from Midway, probably cheaper elsewhere. Closest thing you can get to The Real Deal NATO ammo, a flat-shooting 3300 fps from a 20" bbl. It won't group like MatchKings but it will shoot minute-of-steel-plate at 200 m. The Federal-labeled Lake City XM193 is supposedly very good. I saw somebody with some Federal American Eagle at a recent rifle class who had a round with a backward primer. The S&B might be be verboten at no-steel-ammo ranges. It doesn't have a steel core or penetrator, but the jacket is copper-washed steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 For left coasters, Botach Tactical puts IMI ammo on sale at some very attractive prices occasionally. I haven't ordered any yet, but when I burn up my current pile, I'm planning to give it a whirl. http://www.botach.com/IMI/IMIAmmo/imiammunitions.htm (Edited by EricW at 8:25 pm on Nov. 18, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 Have had bad experience w/ Botach as have others - see http://www.glocktalk.com under "Smart Shopper" forum. Agree that South African PMP and Military Surplus are both good - expect the mil spec stuff to have crimped primers. Thats it for 55 grn stuff - for SS109, IMI is one of the best deals out there & is a good balance between price and accuracy - for me anyway. You decide what works in your rifle. What rifle are you shooting? Bushmaster? Which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ Posted November 19, 2002 Author Share Posted November 19, 2002 I'm shooting a Bushmaster Dissapator--16" bbl with full length handguards. Just playin' around...Maybe some local 3 gun. I have been picking up WIN. white box 40 round packs (usa2231vp) at Wal Mart for around $7.50 per box of 40. I assume they are identical to the Q or QA rounds. The cost is easier to absorb ( I toss a box in the cart whenever we are walking around getting the petty non-essentials, like soap etc.) then ordering a case outright, although I know its more expensive in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 [Thread drift mode ON] FWIW, I've never had anything but excellent service out of Botach -- that is based on 3 or 4 orders now. Sure we aren't mad at UPS instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistral404 Posted November 19, 2002 Share Posted November 19, 2002 I live in an area where there is a (re)manufacturer of ammo. I believe he has both licenses. I buy directly from him. He has a minimum order of 1K but he will split that between rifle and pistol if requested. ($150/k). He knocks the price down if you supply him with componets e.g. brass, bullets, etc. When I shoot in LA, I have a guy there who is a re-manufacturer license who will load for me. So I have to supply him with the brass. Sorry I droned on like that: You might want to check your state for folks that do the same. It is cheaper and you can often specify load characteristics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainH Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 Any suggestions on finding the re-manufacturers in Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted November 22, 2002 Share Posted November 22, 2002 CaptainH, I know of one that has a poor reputation. I'm not sure of the name...I think it starts with a G. I know that people shooting their 45 ammo have constant problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmccrock Posted November 23, 2002 Share Posted November 23, 2002 Let's see. In my experience: I had such bad luck with different batches of Win Q3131 that I will never buy it again (did not cycle action, rounds did not extract, rounds hung on the extracter and did not eject). IMI is good but sometimes the OAL is a bit long for the plastic mags (Thermold, Orlite); works great in GI mags. American Eagle and South African surplus and Miwall re-loads are fine; Miwall is a manufacturer/distributer in California. My definition of goodness with this class of ammo has more to do with reliability and functioning, rather than long-range accuracy. However, accuracy issues with these are more due to the guy pulling the trigger (me) rather than the ammo. I have seen enough people with Wolf problems that I will not use it. To be fair, once I saw someone have trouble with Wolf in a Mini-14. Turns out it was not the .223 (5.56) Wolf, he accidently bought 5.45x39. Scary part: he did get a few rounds off but they would not cycle. By the way, my lone experience with Botach was very positive. My order showed up in like 3 days. YMMV. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted November 24, 2002 Share Posted November 24, 2002 Commercial reloading kind of stinks for everyone, first ammo is so cheap in most places you can't make a profit as the re-manufacturer. Then for the shooter, not usually as high quality as some factory, and not virgin components. Then you can buy the reloading equipment (dillon 650 for the price of a few thousand rounds, and reload your own and its cheaper than the re-manufacturer with normally tigher quality control. <depending on you> I use S&B and Winchester Q3131A also, have shot PMP,and some American Eagle.. mostly too lazy to reload 223's my self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actionshooter Posted November 24, 2002 Share Posted November 24, 2002 I'll second the NO S&B. I had two rounds in a case that had NO flash hole,That causes some problems! I have had good luck w/ SA PMP its cheap too. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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