ducky0811 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I'm new the forums and pretty new to ipsc (just earned my first classification). I shoot .45 in L10 for uspsa and intend on shooting .40 for 3gun. I'm looking for a ideas on a good minor PF load for a 180gr pill, I have 231 and clays on hand. I have used unique and hs6 (full power loads) in the past for .40 but I'm wondering if I can get away with something softer and keep reliability to 100%. Shooting a cz p09 if it helps. Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Yap if you spring it lighter than factory, 40 Minor is great especially with clays. I have some for 3gun thats using 165 grain bullets and they are vary soft. hodgdon has loads on their website for 40minor which they are listing at 3-3.4 grains with a 180 grain bullet at 1.25 oal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 The data for 40sw on Hodgdon's site lists OAL at 1.125" , not 1.25". Clays will be much softer shooting then 231. When you run out of Clays, try e3. It is a superb powder for 40 and 45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducky0811 Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 I've heard about e3 being a good powder, having some trouble finding any though. Clays is definitely my go to 230 gr .45 powder, never tried clays in .40 through, thought it would be too fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mont1120 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Clays, Blue Bullets, at 165 grain using 3.4-3.5. Use it for my three gun and like you use Clays for my .45 in L10. Another good low recoil powder is 700X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FortyOverUnder Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 180gr 3.0gr Clays @ 1.135. Great minor load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducky0811 Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 I've used 700x in .45 and really liked it, experimented in .40 but got terrible results using 165gr extreme. Does it just need a heavier bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mont1120 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I use Montana Gold 165 HP with 3.8 grains of 700X, and it could go a bit lower, in my XDm 4.5. I have also use the 180 grain FP version with 3.6 grains, again in the 4.5 barrel. I would go a tenth higher for my 5.25 XDm. Would lower the charges by a couple of tenths for Blue Bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onebadeye Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 2.8 clays and 180 gr. Bayou or 3.0 with a fmj worse well for me loaded at 1.135 in my g35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 The best combination I have found over the last several months of trying to find a soft shooting AND accurate load out of my .40 cal CZ P09 was 3.7gr titegroup under a 165 Bayou NLG FP, or 4.3gr N320 under a 170gr Precision swaged lead FP. Both loads are soft and accurate. I tried probably a dozen or more different powders under everything from 140gr to 180gr bullets and settled on the 165gr as the best solution. In my limited CZ experience it seems they like faster moving bullets to get the best accuracy and the 165gr-170gr seemed to be the best of all worlds. If there is a load you are thinking of trying let me know, I may have some data for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 My minor load is 2.8gr e3 over a LTC bullet. It makes 144PF. I could go lower, but I wanted to stay with something that worked with the 13lb spring I use for major. This load is amazingly accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Use 4.1gr of HP38 with 180gr bullet. Local matches in 3gun do not need a certain power factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chutist Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 I'm at a much longer OAL for my STI DVC but Clays sure feels soft. I'd explore that option for minor in .40, should be really easy to get a SOFT shooting load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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