Posvar Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) Shot my new PM9 yesterday and what a great shooter!!!!! Taking the gun down, cleaning, and reassembly is easy but I am not really familiar with the single stack mag cleaning. What is the preferred method of cleaning and how often? I want them to run well with out hiccups. Yesterday I had a couple mags stop feeding after the first round or two and I will be inspecting them and cleaning them. A friend recommended using a 12g bore snake to run through the mags and magwell. To clarify I was shooting 147 reman loads. Perhaps they are too heavy and/or too long..... Edited November 28, 2015 by Posvar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I haven't cleaned mine yet, although I do wipe down the top of the mag where it gets dirty. Unless you're dropping them in sand / dirt a lot they won't get very dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 I am currently using a Shadow 2014 CZC Custom for IDPA and will start using the DW some as I am already more comfortable with it. Just want to be sure it feeds well and has minimal issues. Most of my IDPA is indoors with outdoors once a month at this point. This thing shoots so well......it's amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtecpaoche Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 What mags are you using? I have a buddy with a PM9 and the Wilson Combat old style 9mm magazines. He had an issue with it over inserting due to the mag lips bending out of shape. My guess is that the mag lips are a bit thin and when loaded to capacity will eventually start bending. It turned his gun into a jam-o-matic. He checks his mags before and after each match to ensure they are in spec. It's a bit of a hassle and I think he will be purchasing the redesigned Wilson ETM mags. I would get reliable mags but unfortunately it seems the only way to get reliable 9mm mags that work with your gun is to try a bunch of different ones. I have a Spartan 9mm which runs fine with the Tripp and Metalform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 The gun came with 8 Dawson Precision Supreme Mags....so far 4 work flawlessly and the other 4 or so so. The new ones I have are 6 of the Wilson ETM. I will give them a try as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Hello: With the Dawson mags make sure you load shorter. my standard load of 1.170" OAL jams them up. Going to try loading shorter in the 1.150" OAL range and see if that helps. If not I will try a 10mm followers in them. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 Maybe my issue is I'm shooting factory reload 147 grain. I'm buying a Dillon 650 next week and getting set up. Should I run 124rn instead? I hope to be able to load one round that will run in my shadow as well but that may be a pipe dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Look into the feedlips for sure. The mag body can pretty easily get spread too wide or squeezed too narrow. I usually see them being too wide. So, I push the follower down a bit and squeeze the mag body with a pair of pliers to ease the sides of the mags a touch closer together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 Great advice. I will look at that too....How often have you guys replaced springs in the mags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtecpaoche Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 You should be able to run factory with no issues. I suspect it may be the feed lips depending on how many rounds you have thru the mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 The gun is one year old with approx 1,200-1,500 rounds through it. I put about 400 over the past two days. Out of the 8 mags I've set aside 4 that are giving me some issues but will be cleaning and inspecting all of them. For IDPA next week I may just use the new Wisom ETM that I have. Is there a break in period that I need to be aware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I have a set of Dawson's(SS) that I've had for 5+ yrs and still using the original springs. Very seldom pulled apart to clean them either, maybe once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 This is what I have.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Those are the ones. Just take something and push the follower down a bit in the tube and while keeping it pushed down, squeeze the top of the tube together a bit. Nothing severe, just enough to have them end up a few thousandths closer togeter when you're done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I'd make sure you can insert a loaded ETM on a closed slide before taking them to a match. I sold my Wilson mags because when loaded w 10 I can't load them on a closed slide consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 The easy way to clean magazines is to disassemble them and put all the metal parts in a tumbler (vibratory with corn or walnut) and run them for a couple of hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 Should I load the mags and let them sit over night before use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Should I load the mags and let them sit over night before use? Depends - do your mags perform better when well rested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 Should have clarified......I meant the new Wilson mags that I haven't tried yet. I have heard of people letting the springs sit loaded for a bit before use. Wasn't sure if that really did anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 With some mags it makes them easier to load. Won't hurt anything, go ahead and do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 Thanks Steve. I thought the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Hello: You can let them sit for a couple of hours then unload them and load them back up. The springs will relax quicker with loadings and unloadings. If that does not work cut one coil off the spring. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 Ok. I will do that tomorrow as the match is Tuesday. Still have a few other questions about the pm9 but will start a new thread I guess and list all of them at once. Thank you everyone for being so helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlincoln Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 POSVAR, my wife's NEW (300 rds.) Pointman runs 147gr Bayou & Hornady handloads @ 1.135 just fine thru the stock DW mags. Haven't tried the ETM's yet but have 5 of them wrapped for X-Mass. Let us know how the ETM's worked. JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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