LeviSS Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I was thinking about doing some mods on my G23 w/ 9mm conversion for CCP. I thought I'd see what set-ups others have. Is there a mag well out there narrow enough to be legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) Never mind. Edited June 7, 2015 by usmc1974 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig N Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Buddy of mine has a ZEV magwell on his. He's an SO so I assume he's measured it. We haven't had a box stage since he started shooting CCP so I haven't seem if it fits or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Buddy of mine has a ZEV magwell on his. He's an SO so I assume he's measured it. We haven't had a box stage since he started shooting CCP so I haven't seem if it fits or not. Even if you do, I doubt they modify the box for whatever division you're shooting, they likely will just use the SSP/ESP/CDP box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 Does it help much to change the recoil spring and guide rod on the compacts? Other than that and the magwell, I can't think of much else on my 23 I want to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee loo Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) I run a g19 for ccp with a 13lb spring and 147 loads at 135 pf. Cycles faster and shoots flatter vs the stock spring for me. The magwell width will have to be shaved by at least a 1/4" to fit the ccp box, the ccp box is the regular size with a 1/4" spacer to reduce the depth of the box. Maximum width of the ccp gun is 1 3/8" vs 1 5/8". Front and back of the magwell will be fine. Edited June 11, 2015 by dee loo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetback Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Does it help much to change the recoil spring and guide rod on the compacts? Other than that and the magwell, I can't think of much else on my 23 I want to change. CARVER Big Mouth magwell thinned down to fit in the 1 3/8" width IDPA box. Stock mags will seat flush in magwell. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetback Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) It's a G19 gen 3 sights are Ameriglo tritium front and rear.14lb wolf recoil spring and steel captured guide rod. Edited July 17, 2015 by sweetback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 Did you thin it yourself? If so, how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetback Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) No I had our club machinist/gunsmith machine it to spec. 1.368" thick. IDPA BOX with spacer is 1.375" Edited July 17, 2015 by sweetback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetback Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 No I had our club machinist/gunsmith machine it to spec. 1.368" thick. IDPA BOX with spacer is 1.375" Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) Did you change out the striker spring? I tried a 15lb spring on a Jager gen4 rod and had trouble getting it to pass the vertical test. I ordered a set of Wolff 4, 4.5 and 5 Lb striker springs to try out and see if I can get it to work...should be here soon. I wish someone made a magwell that would work without modification. I figure since it's legal you might as well. Thanks for showing me your set-up. Edited July 18, 2015 by LeviSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetback Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) Mine passes the vertical test with 4lb. Wolff striker spring and 14lb recoil spring. Edited July 18, 2015 by sweetback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 Thanks. Once they get here, I'm going to play around with the striker spring weights and the 13, 15, and 18lb recoil springs that I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&W686 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I was thinking about doing some mods on my G23 w/ 9mm conversion for CCP. I thought I'd see what set-ups others have. Is there a mag well out there narrow enough to be legal? If you change barrels in you gun it must be of the same caliber. You cannot use the 9mm conversion barrel in competition. CCP rules are the same as ESP I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted July 20, 2015 Author Share Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) 8.2.2.2 ESP Permitted Features and Modifications (Inclusive list): 8.2.2.2.9 Replacement of barrel with one of factory configuration that uses a stock or non-stock cartridge. CCP is the same. SSP must be stock cartridge. Edited July 20, 2015 by LeviSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 It may be the lighting but the grip plug looks like brass, those used to be illegal. I can't say I have studied the newest set of rules to see if that has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Halley Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 It may be the lighting but the grip plug looks like brass, those used to be illegal. I can't say I have studied the newest set of rules to see if that has changed.Yeah. Especially since you can get a heavy magwell from Dawson with seven ounces of brass weight to it and it looks just like...you guessed it...the little brass one. With weight limits in divisions...why does it matter?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 It may be the lighting but the grip plug looks like brass, those used to be illegal. I can't say I have studied the newest set of rules to see if that has changed.Yeah. Especially since you can get a heavy magwell from Dawson with seven ounces of brass weight to it and it looks just like...you guessed it...the little brass one. With weight limits in divisions...why does it matter?!? I have always thought that in my idpa days, why does it matter how you make weight... Just don't go over... But the old rules specifically forbid brass. I wasn't sure about the new rules, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Halley Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 It may be the lighting but the grip plug looks like brass, those used to be illegal. I can't say I have studied the newest set of rules to see if that has changed.Yeah. Especially since you can get a heavy magwell from Dawson with seven ounces of brass weight to it and it looks just like...you guessed it...the little brass one. With weight limits in divisions...why does it matter?!?I have always thought that in my idpa days, why does it matter how you make weight... Just don't go over... But the old rules specifically forbid brass. I wasn't sure about the new rules, that's all. I recalled the brass ban as well. Why does a carry gun need a magwell...seems to limit concealment doesn't it? My 1911 in 10mm is not super concealavenient with its S&A magwell and Tripp Corey mags...but it fits a box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 Mine passes the vertical test with 4lb. Wolff striker spring and 14lb recoil spring. I just got the Wolff springs and was able to get it to work great with a 15lb recoil spring and 4.5lb striker spring...exactly what I wanted. I also added a reduced power safety plunger spring while I was at it. I'm happy with the results. I just need to load up a bunch and shoot it a lot before the next match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 It may be the lighting but the grip plug looks like brass, those used to be illegal. I can't say I have studied the newest set of rules to see if that has changed. BTW, they just sent out a rules clarrifier today. Brass inserts are illegal. Here's a sampling of the text: Since IDPA is a defensive scenario based sport, there are certain features or attachments that are not permitted. These are: 1. ... 2. Add-on weights, (but is not limited to) weighted magazines, tungsten guide rods, brass magazine wells, weighted grips, and weighted grip plugs. ... Zev offers what they call an IDPA ESP legal magwell. I guess the insert on it is plastic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 SO a buddy of mine showed up to the match last night with a magwell on his 19. He got an Agency Arms magwell. They make magwells that accommodate backstraps even. The biggest plus is the bottom of the magwell keeps you from pinching on magazines and acts as a nice little extra finger groove to force the gun back into the webbing of your hand, made the 19 fell really good, and that is a gun I generally don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 SO a buddy of mine showed up to the match last night with a magwell on his 19. He got an Agency Arms magwell. They make magwells that accommodate backstraps even. The biggest plus is the bottom of the magwell keeps you from pinching on magazines and acts as a nice little extra finger groove to force the gun back into the webbing of your hand, made the 19 fell really good, and that is a gun I generally don't like. Thanks! Do you know how wide the magwell is? Also, what material is the plug portion of the magwell made out of? They say no weighted grip plugs, but most companies have metal plugs that the magwell then attaches to...so I'm confused about this. Can you email HQ for clarification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 SO a buddy of mine showed up to the match last night with a magwell on his 19. He got an Agency Arms magwell. They make magwells that accommodate backstraps even. The biggest plus is the bottom of the magwell keeps you from pinching on magazines and acts as a nice little extra finger groove to force the gun back into the webbing of your hand, made the 19 fell really good, and that is a gun I generally don't like. Thanks! Do you know how wide the magwell is? Also, what material is the plug portion of the magwell made out of? They say no weighted grip plugs, but most companies have metal plugs that the magwell then attaches to...so I'm confused about this. Can you email HQ for clarification? He assured me it was IDPA legal, it was very narrow side to side so I don't think you'd run against "box" issues either. It is a very discreet magwell but it improved my grip on the gun with his medium beavertail. As high speed as that Agency Arms website is, I bet they could give you more info than you want on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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