.40AET Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Most of the load data for the 9 major has been for 124g bullets. Has anyone tried the lighter bullet and been able to make major comfortably? Comments, experiences, and load data would be appreciated. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Forum member Kingman developed such a load & posted data on the other 9major thread. Believe he swithced to 124s though. General trend has been to use 124s - likely due to excessive pressure issues with 115s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 Thanks Carlos. I have been following the 9major thread closely. I agree, the trend is towards the 124's. I shot a friends 9 shorty with 115's and HS-6. In a side by side with 124's, the 115's are a lot softer and flatter shooting. I am hoping to find some more data before my gun is finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 General trend has been to use 124s - likely due to excessive pressure issues with 115s. Also IPSC has a 120 gr limit for major. USPSA allows down to 112 gr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Your reply got me wondering about the compiled data w/ 115s (very little). However, a couple of things about Major9 115 are apparent: 1) Its handload only. While there are major 124 loads, I have never heard of factory major 9 w/ 115. 2) It should only be attempted by the most experienced loaders & fired from the strongest guns. An STI Open 2011 would be appropriate. An antique blowback 9x19 would not. Those warnings out of the way, I looked a the old data (has not been updated in years) listed for a different caliber on Jeff Maass site. He lists major 9x21 data. Many of the loads have an OAL too long for a 9x19 - particularly the CZ & Tanfoglio/"springfield" P9 built on the smaller frame & allowing a max OAL of about 1.161" or less. I own a custom barrel Glock designed for Open9 & 1.155" is about the longest I can load. Don't assume you can shorten any listed loads without sending pressures through the roof/ blowing up your gun. Don't say I did not warn you. However, most 2011s & other 1911s specifically designed for 9 major will allow a longer OAL in the mag & MIGHT have enough free-bore to take 9x19 loaded to the spec.s on Jeff's old site. The powders listed for 115 9Major were: N340, N350, 3N37 (probably 3N38 too) N105, AA-7, HS-7 & SP-2. Some of these loads meet old Major (175) so the might provide a comfortable cushion for meeting 165. Anyway, the site is: http://home.columbus.rr.com/jmaass/documents/hl9x21.pdf Thanks for bringing up the topic; maybe the general trend to avoid 115s can be reversed. I'm open to the idea. D. Anyway the site lists several loads that just meet or slightly exceed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessej Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Peaked my interest as well. Planning 125 jhp zero over 7.0+ VVn340 1.170. Wonder if 115 grain would be viable too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 If you look at the 38 super loads with a 115 you see that the amount of powder won't even fit in a 9x19 case - way too much. At least for the VV powders I've used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted February 1, 2005 Author Share Posted February 1, 2005 What I've tried was loaded to 1.165"oal. An experienced reloader and open shooter has been helping me journey to the darkside. I asked for the barrel to be freebored to 1.200". I looked at Jeff's site trying to determine what powders are dense enough and would make major in the 9x21. Back off the load 20% and chrono then work back up. I'm planning on starting with 124's to break in the gun (STI) with some tried and true loads. Then start experimenting with the 115's. After I work up the load next month in my gun, I will post all of the data.I'm just hoping someone has been down the road with some of the mainstream powders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamBam Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 To answer the original question, I started developing loads trying to get my shorty major 9 to make major with 115 grain bullets. Its a little harder a proposition than I had thought at the outset. Slide is 1/2" shorter than 5" with a little extended past for a cone comp installation. 115 grain - Zero - FMJ-RN (OAL of 1.175", Fed sm rifle primers) 8.7 grains HS-6 averaged 1394 fps for 160.3 PF 8.8 grains HS-6 averaged 1440 fps for 165.6 PF 7.8 grains 3n37 averaged 1377 fps for 158.4 PF 8.0 grains 3n37 averaged 1434 fps for 164.9 PF Just got some true blue to try which is super dense and tight. More test data to follow with that. Also have 7625 but can't see how that will ever make it into a small 9mm case, so it will not be tried. It would seem very doable with a 115 grain bullet and 5-1/2" barrel. For comparison sake, same everything with a 124 grain Zero bullet 7.9 grains HS-6 averaged 1286 fps for 159.5 PF 7.4 grains 3n37 averaged 1329 fps for 164.8 PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoNsTeR Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Any blowholes in that barrel, BamBam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamBam Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 No blowholes, intentional or otherwise Normal barrel cut some for a 4-1/2" slide, and allowing enough extra to thread a cone comp onto it. I figure I can get three loads making major with 115 grain bullets. Will study further and see if any are a viable long term solution, or if I will decide to move up to 121 grain bullets and make life easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Bill Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Be careful with TrueBlue w/ a 115. I am seeing plenty of pressure signs with a 125 making major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansy Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Shooting put of a Stinger 9mm with 124 MG bullet and 8.4gr of HS-6 making major easily at 166PF, tried the HS-7 wasn't making it at 8.6gr (will try more later) and I also tried the 115gr with HS-6 8.4gr was making 155PF.... I also tried the HS-6 up to 8.7gr and was making 171PF with the 124gr, the load got flatout between 8.5 and 8.6 gr with a PF increase of 1PF only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 (edited) I wouldn’t go smaller than 124gr in the neener unless your OAL is over 1.120", in other words, don't use smaller that 124gr in Glocks shooting major 9. What I am seeing in my 170PF 124gr 9x21 at 1.135" OAL tells me so. -- Regards, Edited March 27, 2005 by George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Snyder Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 No blowholes, intentional or otherwise Normal barrel cut some for a 4-1/2" slide, and allowing enough extra to thread a cone comp onto it. I figure I can get three loads making major with 115 grain bullets. Will study further and see if any are a viable long term solution, or if I will decide to move up to 121 grain bullets and make life easy. Bam, you are on the right track. I have a 9mm Major shorty with a 3 port comp and 2 blow holes in the barrel. I use the 115 Zero JHP with Fed Small Rifle primers in FC brass with 8.4 grs of VV 3N37 and was it chrono'ed 1499 at the Area 8 Championship and I have not experienced any pressure problems. I am going to experiment with some other powders and the 115. For a Steel load for the same gun I am using 4.7grs of VV N-330 with the same 115 and FSP primers and it shoots soft and flat. It's running 1100fps so I might do some experimenting with it and Federal Small Rifle primers and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted February 21, 2005 Author Share Posted February 21, 2005 I use the 115 Zero JHP with Fed Small Rifle primers in FC brass with 8.4 grs of VV 3N37 and was it chrono'ed 1499 at the Area 8 Championship and I have not experienced any pressure problems. I am going to experiment with some other powders and the 115. Now that's what I'm talkin' about! Robert/BamBam, thanks for posting some useful data. I am looking for success stories with the 115's. I'm not fond of paying throught the nose for the Vhit powders, but they are clean and consistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastshuter Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 I have a STI Competitor 38 super, use MG 115 CMJ grain bullets over 9.4 grains SP85 for a PF of 175. Win case, WSPM primer. Not much of a pressure load either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted March 24, 2005 Author Share Posted March 24, 2005 9-Major 5" KKM Barrel (No ports) with 4 port Ti Comp Zero 115g FMJ Fed SR primers 1.170"oal 7.7g Silhouette Ave=1470 169 PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 40, How do the 115's feel in comparison to the 124's? Is there appreciable differences and dot track etc with the 115? I am currently using 8.2 grs of Power Pistol and zero 125's. I will try Silhouette next. Thanx, Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted March 27, 2005 Author Share Posted March 27, 2005 The first side by side comparision I did was with a different powder. There was a noticable difference. The 115's felt softer. I just worked up new loads with the Silhouette and have not had both bullet weights with the same PF next to each other. The 124's that I had were around 168pf and the 115's were all at 175pf. I need to make bigger batches for test purposes. Please keep in mind that I am the ".40AET" not the 9mm. I'll try to think more in terms of dot track next time I'm out. I have a bunch of 3N37 coming and that will be the next side by side test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 VihtaVhouri used to list 9X21 load with 115 grain sierraJHP 8.6 VVn350 at 1.161..makes over 170 pf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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