JCollett Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 I have recently gotten back into shooting after a 5 year lay off, and am planning on shooting Production. After looking at the suitable pistols I setteled on the XD. I now have about 5000 rnds through an XD9 Sevice in the the last 2 months. Ilike the gun but it has a nasty habit of failing to extract after about 150 rounds.Sometimes it will run up to 500 before puking. Finally last week the bottom half of the extractor broke off. I called Spingfield and they have a new one on the way. A new shooter I have been working with bought an XD9 Tactical that he really likes and had a 1000 rounds through trouble free. Last week he started having the same problem. I have looked on the Xd forum and called Springfield and am no closer to an answer as to why this is happening....Poor design...bad tension...hook needs to tuned????? The factory is reaming the chamber and "adjusting" the extractor. People still have problems. So I came here. Any suggestions will be much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFoley Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 I know a shooter whose XD9 is doing the same thing, failing to extract. Once you drop the slide down, it will extract the round the second time. He can clean and lube it and it works until about 100 rounds, then it starts failing again every few rounds. It ran fine for a thousand rounds or so prior to this. I am emailing him this topic to see if he has found a solution. It may take a while to get a response because he is on active duty, and may not be a forum member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisgahrifle Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 When you say"bottom half of the extractor," do you mean the back end or the hook end? Sometimes when the claw breaks (and I've seen this happen on 1911s, XDs and M9s) the fault lies in steel case ammunition. If you've been shooting any, I wouldn't try it with the new extractor. Put the new one in and see what happens. Oh, by the way- if there's any extractor left in the channel, pry it out with the solid hooked end of a 1911 sear spring. All the "extractor tool" that comes in the armorer's kit is is a sear spring JB-welded into a piece of round stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Sounds like a bad batch of material and it's simply losing spring tension. How do you pull the extractor out w/o damaging it? Pliers? That extractor is simple enough that a better one could be wire-EDM'd out of decent material and properly heat treated. Mine's still working....for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCollett Posted January 27, 2005 Author Share Posted January 27, 2005 The bottom half of the extractor hook cracked off. I can't tell for sure but I think the part is MIM or "powderd metal" not EDM'ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 The bottom half of the extractor hook cracked off. I can't tell for sure but I think the part is MIM or "powderd metal" not EDM'ed. That doesn't mean that better ones cannot be EDM'd. If the extractor is MIM'd, that explains everything. Expecting MIM anything to hold spring tension is pretty over-optimistic of the process. Another day, another business opportunity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Holy cow. I just pulled the extractor in my XD. It's headed south, and I don't think I have more than 250 rounds through the gun. You can see where the lower corner of the hook is getting chewed away. Guess I'll be getting a new extractor from Springfield. The part doesn't look MIM at all, but its not properly engineered. The cantilever section is a parallel taper - which is wrong as it concentrates all the stress at the base. It needs to be tapered logarithmically. Will Springfield listen to me? I doubt it? Will they pony up an extractor once or twice a month? I doubt that too. Whoever designed the gun must have really took the "average gun is only fired 6X" to heart. This is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFoley Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 The soldier I referenced above has sent his to Springfield at their request for repair. I will follow-up when he gets it back if the thread is still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Ellis Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Great. I've been researching, and following threads on XD's since I'm considering getting one for Production. Just about ordered one the other day. Now I find out that the extractor doesn't make 250 rounds which wouldn't make it through one practice session for me. Hope someone follows through on the problem and it's fixed by SA quickly. Otherwise they may have lost a sale. Waiting for feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 i hear glocks have real durable extractors... this explains the trouble a guy i know is having with his 40 caliber XD, I was ROing the east texas section match, and one stage was 16 rounds long and he had 15 malfunctions. at least one target got the "double tap" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Post Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Are the 40 cal. XDs showing the same problem? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIIID Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 As for the .40 I've got 28k on my gun with the original extractor with no problems. I have only had one 9mm with a failure to extract( one round). I've test fired over a hundred customers 9mm guns. I had a test 9mm Tac. with 2,500 rounds with a wide array of factory and reloaded ammo and no FTE's. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipster Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I've got about 2500 rnds through my XD 40 with no FTE's. It's my carry gun so I hope that the problem is not carrying over into the 40's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampleworks Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 The problem lies within SA's faulty first generation extractors. I know myself, soon as I got my pistol home I was having FTE issues. The old extractor was made from a softer metal, the newer one is made from a harder metal and designed just a wee bit different. (Disassembly link with photos] It may have a hiccup but at the rate SA is producing these things right now, give them a bit of leeway. Look at it this way, you won't find another gun that can perform like the XD to run in Production (when you've got an extractor that works! lol) for $400 cash and carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Rich, Where are you buying your parts for XD's? Brownells? Direct from Springfield? Yeah, SA is (grudgingly) sending me a new extractor, but getting them to do it wasn't the easiest thing I've ever done. It took 10 mins of prodding before they would even admit they sold parts. If I can't find a reliable source of spares....well....back to the Glock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCollett Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 I called Springfield last Friday to see if they would send me a new extractor instead of me sending in the gun. I spoke to a woman named Brandy who was very helpful and told me it could take 7- 10 days. I recieved my extractor this morning via FED-EX. The friend I mentioned in my first post took his X9 Tactical to his gunsmith and he pulled the extractor and removed a small amount of metal on the inside bearing surfrace of the extractor to allow the hook to reach deeper into the breech face. So far he has 400 rounds through it malfunction free. I really hope this problem gets worked out. The XD is a great gun for Production. I compared El prez and bill drill times with it and a UM holster to my times 5 years ago as an A class limited shooter with a hot set up SVI .40 and race gear. No real difference. Just goes to show its the Indian not the arrow. Thanks to everyone on the forum for their help. This a great place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCollett Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 For parts go to xd-hs2000.com and pistolgear .com My friend bought a Bladetech dropped and offset holster from pistolgear and was happy with the service. xd-hs2000.com has factory parts ...extractors..ejectors..springs..guiderods..etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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