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Are the Shadow SA/DA and/or SP-01 Shadow the best sub-$1k?


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(Originally posted to BEginners, and suggested to move here. Admins, could you merge teh threads?)

Hi!

I'm a new shooter looking to get into competition shooting, likely starting with USPSA Production or IDPA SSP, and possibly going into 3-gun.

I understand the normal pathway is to take your time, shoot what you already have (S&W M&P9, on a waiting list for a HK VP9) and then upgrade when appropriate. However, (1) I live in California, (2) the Single Shot Exemption that allows us to import guns not on our "safe" handgun roster expires at the end of the year, (3) I really want a CZ, and (4) I have a budget of about $1000 (including transfer and SSE fees).

From what I've read elsewhere, the ideal CZs in the sub-$1k field are the CZ 75 Shadow SA/DA for IDPA SSP and the CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow for USPSA Production.

In your opinion, would you agree or are there other CZ's that I should be considering?

I ruled out the Tactical Sports because I don't think they are Production-legal and not IDPA-legal at all.

I also ruled out the SA models because people keep saying to leave them DA/SA for IDPA, though I don't know why. Perhaps they're not allowed in that configuration.

I'm uncertain about whether or not to pursue a decocker model. Seems like the future of trigger work is harder on them than the non-decocker models, which may or may not be a factor for Production/SSP.

While it would be ideal to get a SP-01 Accu-Shadow or SP-01 Shadow Target, I don't think they're within my budget at this time.

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If you like a light gun and don't care about a rail for a light, then get a 75 shadow in da/sa. If you like the rail and weight get the SP01 Shadow da/sa. Both in da/sa can be used in both sports. The SP01 is idpa legal in both ssp and esp. In esp you start with the hammer back.I would not get a decocker model. The shadow models should be around the $800 mark before sse and transfer fees.

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I haven't seen an SP01 Shadow for under $1000. If you search Gunbroker regularly, you can sometimes find them from $1250 and higher depending on the model (Custom, Target, etc).

You can find the SP01 for around $650, and the Shadow for around $800-$900, but not the SP01 Shadow for under $1000.

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Another option is CZ P-09, it cost about $450-500. Drop in $250 dollars in parts it will give you a very good USPSA, IDPA, and 3GUN pistol. I have both CZ SP-01 Shadow Custom from CZC ( CZ Custom Shop) $1600, and CZ P-09 $750total that i have modified with parts from CGW ( Cajun Gun Works) and both guns are top performers. One problem is i will never shot these guns to their full potential in competition.

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I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm in CA too and between SSE, transfer and DROS there are no Shadows in your price range; you'll be lucky to get an SP01 set up for competition with a belt, holster, mag pouches, five mags for a grand.

This: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=437268757

Plus this: http://cajungunworks.com/short_reset_system_-_srs.html

Plus this: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=191773

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In that price range, in california, in my opinion, your best bet is to get a regular 75b or sp01 and then mod them. As others have mentioned it will be almost impossible to get a sp01 shadow or 75 shadow for under $1,000. And that's for a stock one. With the regular ones they are already on roster, less money and the guns with firing pin blocks can still be made with good triggers, it just takes a different approach.

Again, as others have mentioned try going the PPT route and finding a gun that way already in the state. I've seen two 75 shadows for sale by private sellers in san diego recently for about 900 bucks.

I do agree with you though that if you've only got about a grand that the CZ is the best place to start. Good luck in your search.

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I am sure you know what you are talking about as far as Ca sse and stuff. The Shadows are avail in the price I mentioned, they are not the shadow custom. Just a basic shadow #91705 & 91154. Availability will be spotty, the 91705 is available at oak hill guns $795 cash

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I am sure you know what you are talking about as far as Ca sse and stuff. The Shadows are avail in the price I mentioned, they are not the shadow custom. Just a basic shadow #91705 & 91154. Availability will be spotty, the 91705 is available at oak hill guns $795 cash

Philip,

We in CA are not so fortunate as our brothers outside the iron curtain. 795 from Oak Hill +35 shipping, +67 CA sales tax, +105 (at least) SSE transfer fee, +25 DROS fee has you up to $1,027 before you've paid your FFL to block the three factory mags (~30), bought two more (100), plus a belt, holster, mag pouches and you're in for nearly $1,500 before you upgrade the pistol at all.

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So... CGW Disconnector, along with a short reset trigger from CGW or the one from CZC?

I'm going to confess that I'm not particularly handy and I've only been shooting for three months.

Before I start tinkering, it might be best to just get familiar with it and work on fundamentals first.

Why does waiting suck so much? :)

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