benos Posted June 2, 2001 Share Posted June 2, 2001 This one shouldn't take to much work. All I'm looking for is names and numbers: Who were the top 2 shooters involved in the closest Steel Challenge "flip-flop" victories ["Flip-flop" means that one shooter won one year, while the other finished a close second; and then in a later year, the order of finish changed places.], and what was the margin of victory (or if you perfer, margin of loss) in each case? good luck, and may the best first man win! be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted June 2, 2001 Share Posted June 2, 2001 Well, finiding the shooters was easy. Finding the stats on the margin of victory is proving a little more difficult. If I post the shooters and the year can I get the other half of the book from May? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 3, 2001 Author Share Posted June 3, 2001 Ron, No problemo! And to clarify the question for June - The question covers the entire history of the SC, and also includes the various "categories" introduced in recent years, i.e., IDPA, Limited, etc.... For example, a winner from yester-year (when there was only one category) could have won in recent times in Limited or IDPA, and as long as the same two shooters finished #1 and #2, in opposite orders in opposite years - it would count. Now how's that for a "clarification"? be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted June 4, 2001 Share Posted June 4, 2001 Brian, Does the women category count? If so, it's between Julie Goloski and Kay Clark Miculek. Julie won by 2.18 sec in 1999. Kay won by 5.52 in 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fletcher Posted June 5, 2001 Share Posted June 5, 2001 And women complain about men being to fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 7, 2001 Author Share Posted June 7, 2001 The women category counts, but unfortunately the answer is incorrect. Keep looking be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted June 15, 2001 Share Posted June 15, 2001 How bout a hint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 15, 2001 Author Share Posted June 15, 2001 Scooter, You're right, it's time for a hint. I thought someone would have hammered this one out by now.... The 2 shooters involved were both men, and these men shot stock (or stock type) guns in both situations. Notice that I did not capitalize the word "stock," which means that during at least one of the years in question, there may not have been a "Stock" class. OK, that's really 2 hints. I'll save hint #3 for a few more days. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 17, 2001 Author Share Posted June 17, 2001 OK, in response to no responses, here's one more hint. There is a detailed description of the "second" situation in these very Forums, including (the exact time of) the margin of victory. Comon'—now it's easy. All you need is the name of the other shooter and the first/original "margin of victory/loss." be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Schwab Posted June 18, 2001 Share Posted June 18, 2001 I researched my archived American Handgunner's and here what I got: 89: winner Angelo Spagnoli, second Brian 90: winner the Jet, second Arnt 91: winner the Burner, second Robbie 92: winner the Jet, second the Burner 93: winner the Jet, second Pat Sanchez From the web: 99: winner Koenig, second Robbie 00: winner Koenig, second Tatsuya Sakai Hope this helps Bill Schwab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunlop Posted June 18, 2001 Share Posted June 18, 2001 And wasn't it Enos/Spagnolli in Stock gun 2000.(or99) Thats my guess, but the margins?? Where do you look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 18, 2001 Author Share Posted June 18, 2001 Phil and Bill, You guys should get together and pool your resources, between the 2 of you, I think you can get it! I'd hate to have to send out more "half books." Bill, (hint) Be sure to re-read the question(s). be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted June 18, 2001 Share Posted June 18, 2001 Is it John Shaw and J. Michael Plaxco in 81 and 82? They are the "first man" to win it. Margin of victory <1s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Schwab Posted June 18, 2001 Share Posted June 18, 2001 Brian, I re-read the question and had an epiphany...thanks, I think I need to do more research tonight. I did a lot of research into the answer last night and couldn't find the flip/flop so I figured I'd throw the info I had gathered out to everyone else in hopes that someone else would be able to finish up were I left off. Phils angle opens up a whole new realm. Phil, Maybe we should pool our efforts on this one. Shoot me a message or e-mail if you're interested. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 18, 2001 Author Share Posted June 18, 2001 Scooter, no. Bill, now you're gettin' it. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Schwab Posted June 18, 2001 Share Posted June 18, 2001 Well, I have the years and shooters, just need to locate the margins of victory now. Phil, Dood, you're on your own...lol Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted June 18, 2001 Share Posted June 18, 2001 Dood? Is that the same thing as Dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted June 18, 2001 Share Posted June 18, 2001 Phonetically speaking yes...lol. Mike and Bill must have shared a speak and spell....sorry guys had to say it. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fletcher Posted June 19, 2001 Share Posted June 19, 2001 Thanks Pat...It's always nice to have you on my side. And one more thing...BITE ME!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted June 19, 2001 Share Posted June 19, 2001 hehe just kidding, can't pass it up some times. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Schwab Posted June 20, 2001 Share Posted June 20, 2001 Brian, Here we go: in 89 it was Spagnoli/Enos with a margin of victory of 0.26 and in 99 it was Enos/Spagnoli in stock gun by a margin of 0.01 seconds. If this answer is correct I need to thank Phil Dunlop and Mike Fichman for their help. Bill Schwab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 21, 2001 Author Share Posted June 21, 2001 Congatulations Bill for your persistence! Pretty close margins, eh? In '99 it was dramatic come from behind victory, (as described somewhere on this forum). In '89, I missed the stop plate on my last run on the last stage and did a world famous "lower your gun before you actually finish shooting" trick for a .6 or .8 recovery shot. Send me the address in the message feature and I'll ship 'er out. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted June 21, 2001 Share Posted June 21, 2001 So Brian are you going to shoot the Steel Challenge this year? I assume Angelo will. Other than you guys I haven't seen any top Limited shooters in the results for the past few years. (Burkett was shooting IDPA or something silly.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 21, 2001 Author Share Posted June 21, 2001 Erik, I won't be going to the SC this year, I'm just tired of the same stages for 20 years. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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