Remanufactured 40cal from range brass

[Austin136]

Im starting a remanfactured ammo company i have an xl650 ive used for years and just bought a super 1050. I curently have a type 1 ffl and i have applied for a type 7 i wolnt be selling ammo untill my type 7 is aproved. I Purchased 20k 40cal range brass from a local range and alot of it was fired from glocks and is bulged. What is the best way to conseintly remove the bulge from the case so it can be used in tighter chambers?

Thanks

Austin Miller

[MarkS_A18138]

CasePro 100 with an autodrive

[Austin136]

Thank you for the quick reply. I was hopeing to be able to do it on one of the dillions but that might not be posible. If i get the case pro should i also do 9 and 45 i havent noticed that they are bulged?

[captain037]

Get an egw "u" die. Replaces your sizing die and doesn't add an additional step.

[perrysho]

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH !

The better the Brass to specs or close, the better the 650 and 1050 will produce quality ammo in numbers.

I buy some brass from a supplier in Ky., Cleaned, Roll Sized, De-primed done on a custom roll sizer w feeder.

Some of the folks in here can give you more info than I.

If you gonna sell to the public, better do things right with a quality control program in place, with paper work for CYA.

Above all, an Insurance Policy, Umbrella coverage, and a Corporation set up via a lawyer.

Check out you State laws too!

Liability is high, risk is great, law suites are plentiful. Most lawyers are like Great White Sharks.

CYA - cover you back parts.

Perry

[Sarge]

If you are asking this question you are nowhere near ready to start producing ammo to sell.

[BeerBaron]

if you are processing range brass to reload on a commercial scale a case pro 100 with autodrive is the minimum, but even that is really a home/hobby type piece. not inteded for commercial reloaders. you need a proper rotary type roll sizer like a Scharch roll sizer.

I'd also consider a commercial casting machine to make your projectiles.

I do lean a little towards sarge that it sounds like perhaps you are not an experienced reloader. if you still go down this path study up hard!

and yes 9mm and 45 can bulge too. 9mm often gets the 'glock bulge' at the bottom from being shot in unsupoprted chambers.

this is what a proper roll sizer looks like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK91X83ZsS0

or like this: http://www.camdexloader.com/PistolCaseProcessor.aspx

then you want a bullet caster like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3OqRrPvzTY

then you want a reloading machine.

and a 1050 is really the bottom level of commercial grade reloading machines. They are really a machine for the serious home user, but not a commercial user. commercial guys use stuff like these below:

like an ammoload X http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCsUscgCDJ0

http://www.ammoload.com/mark_x_pistol.htm

AE make one http://www.advengsys.com/inline_loader.aspx

as do camdex http://www.camdexloader.com/

There are others, like the old tri-standard etc. And I'm sure many other current model brands too. That is the stuff you want to use as a commercial outfit.

I would sell the 1050 and 650 and put some money into that stuff if you are serious about commercial reloading.

[BeerBaron]

by the way, the camdex rapid autoloader looks like an insanely awesome piece of gear with very advanced QC. for example it weighs each empty case and then weighs it again after the powder charge to precisely check each powder charge. no doubt it's probably $100K machine, but 20K or less should get you a very good autoloader with mechanical checks (like powder probe etc).

[Graham Smith]

Using range brass for home loading is one thing, using it for commercial sale is another. You will either have to set up your own operation to sort, inspect, clean, and size the brass or you should buy range brass that has already had that done. I think that you will find the latter is the more economical route unless you are willing to spend quite a bit up front.

[Daveo52]

If you're asking the question is it really the right business for you to be getting into?

[bubbadoc]

Beerbaron - outstanding summary post. Thanks (I like to learn about this stuff)

[BeerBaron]

Beerbaron - outstanding summary post. Thanks (I like to learn about this stuff)

no worries.

those machines I posted are all for commercial re-loaders. but even they are nothing compared to what a factory ammo factory would use. they will be making their own brass, own projectile, and in some cases their own powder and primers too! and then have some very fancy machines to combine them into a finished round...

a 1050 whilst impressive to the average home loader is still really a hobby machine for the very serious comp shooter, but not for anyone making ammo to sell...

using range brass is ok, but you need a great sorting system, inspection system and sizing system.

most guys selling bulk re manufactured ammo in my country buy once fired (guaranteed once fired) military or LEO brass. But in that case you need a good primer crimp remover too as mil brass has the primer pockets crimped.

after all that reman ammo is not commanding a high price. so you need to do careful sums if this is a business you want to pursue.

[disxbxjun]

If you are asking this question you are nowhere near ready to start producing ammo to sell.

+1

[tnavres]

by the way, the camdex rapid autoloader looks like an insanely awesome piece of gear with very advanced QC. for example it weighs each empty case and then weighs it again after the powder charge to precisely check each powder charge. no doubt it's probably $100K machine, but 20K or less should get you a very good autoloader with mechanical checks (like powder probe etc).

Camdex pistol machines are $27k currently. Brass processing machines are $23k, with 50% down and 50% due upon delivery (six month waiting period).

[tnavres]

if you are processing range brass to reload on a commercial scale a case pro 100 with autodrive is the minimum, but even that is really a home/hobby type piece. not inteded for commercial reloaders. you need a proper rotary type roll sizer like a Scharch roll sizer.

I'd also consider a commercial casting machine to make your projectiles.

I do lean a little towards sarge that it sounds like perhaps you are not an experienced reloader. if you still go down this path study up hard!

and yes 9mm and 45 can bulge too. 9mm often gets the 'glock bulge' at the bottom from being shot in unsupoprted chambers.

this is what a proper roll sizer looks like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK91X83ZsS0

or like this: http://www.camdexloader.com/PistolCaseProcessor.aspx

then you want a bullet caster like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3OqRrPvzTY

then you want a reloading machine.

and a 1050 is really the bottom level of commercial grade reloading machines. They are really a machine for the serious home user, but not a commercial user. commercial guys use stuff like these below:

like an ammoload X http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCsUscgCDJ0

http://www.ammoload.com/mark_x_pistol.htm

AE make one http://www.advengsys.com/inline_loader.aspx

as do camdex http://www.camdexloader.com/

There are others, like the old tri-standard etc. And I'm sure many other current model brands too. That is the stuff you want to use as a commercial outfit.

I would sell the 1050 and 650 and put some money into that stuff if you are serious about commercial reloading.

There are many commercial reloaders/manufacturers using 1050's and only 1050's. There are TWO main challenges: a) Getting range fired brass to spec & gauge checking each piece prior to loading and buying enough components in BULK to add to your profit margin.

A huge mistake is making bullets in your 1050, as you deprime/resize range brass/purchased brass. You will check these rounds only to see it won't fit the gauge, then have to use a bullet puller on 20-30% on all your work. Better is to deprime/resize all of those cases. Then gauge check the brass. If it fits, 99% of all the rounds you make will gauge check smoothly upon final inspection. Using a CasePro100 with a ponsnesswarren will ensure a lion's share of brass will gauge check before you make actual rounds with them.

[DougCarden]

This is the worst time in the recent past to get into commercial reloading. It has deteriorated in the last several months.....

This powder shortage is going to put a lot of the small guys out of business in the next 3-6 months. I am fortunate that I downsized my operation and am now able to do it part time with no overhead.....

I hate to admit it but if the OP doesn't know a lot of the above mentioned information then you might rethink the business aspect of it and not borrow a lot of money......Talk to some of the bigger companies. They will share their knowledge and try to help, but now is not a good time to start out.....

Go slow and good luck!

DougC

[LiveShootLive]

This thread is what's up. I have a camdex auto sorter to sort massive amounts of cases, I've been up to my eyes in brass for a few years. I have multiple dillons, decent knowlege, the ability to produce and connections on some components, but it doesn't matter. The perfect product also has to be licensed, insured, packaged and delivered perfectly. The auto drive looks amazing, a 1050 with that and a bullet feeder is pretty close to commercial-ish on a small scale, but people drop six figures on the best like it's nothing. Austin, I have the brass in the future. It's really nice, bright and shiny. I'd like to get a manufacturing license soon too, but it is a bad time. Go slow.

Jay