fritzthemoose Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 The US State Department considers Jerry's Rifle CDs a security risk and put an export restriction on it Whats next banning Hollywood Action movies outside of the US? Making YouTube illegal? I guess they will take away his passport. What if he competes internationally and someone watches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DyNo! Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Yup, we have laws against teaching "foreign nationals" (as the US Government calls 'em) how to shoot. What's funny is that the USG thinks all this shit isn't on Youtube or that it can't be torrented. And here you are trying to get it legally! Edited January 16, 2014 by DyNo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 It's just that they think that it's so good that they don't want the enemy getting their hands on it. Makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritzthemoose Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 Yup, we have laws against teaching "foreign nationals" (as the US Government calls 'em) how to shoot. What's funny is that the USG thinks all this shit isn't on Youtube or that it can't be torrented. And here you are trying to get it legally! I am outside of the US and have it already. UUPS should not have said that. Guess it will only be hours until some special forces unit will attack me If someone of you guys will be one of em please let me know. I will put some beer in the fridge and we can throw some meat on the grill while watching a cd. I do have one in mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritzthemoose Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 It's just that they think that it's so good that they don't want the enemy getting their hands on it. Makes perfect sense. I just hope he does not get into serious trouble cause he talked to me at the shotgun world shoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glocktogo Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Don't forget, it's cheaper than The Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, formerly known as the US Army School of the Americas. The .gov doesn't like competition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Lets talk about it in simple terms. Jerry is one of the best teachers out there. Do you want Terrorist to actually know how to shoot. I don't. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind bat Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 At one point Jerry was considered a state secret. He is still listed as part of the domestic strategic defense reserves. In fact he needs to inform the state department if he is going to leave the country. His right trigger finger was banned in NY, NJ, MA, IL and CA. Can you imagine what would have happen if North Korea managed to clone an army of Jerry? That is why we can't have his DVD's fall into the wrong hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Back when I had a lot of shooting/match videos up on google video, google would keep track of what places were watching what videos the most. Y'up, a lot of views tracked back to the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coordinator Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 What about Chuck Norris DVDs? I would think they're the most dangerous of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durtywrench Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I better but a video before they are banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Lets talk about it in simple terms. Jerry is one of the best teachers out there. Do you want Terrorist to actually know how to shoot. I don't. Pat Simpler terms - not everyone outside the US is a terrorist. ITAR has its uses... this isn't one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Simpler terms not everyone is but some are and some times the net may get a little too wide but that is an acceptable consequence in a situation like this.Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike P Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) Simpler terms not everyone is but some are and some times the net may get a little too wide but that is an acceptable consequence in a situation like this. Pat Edited January 19, 2014 by Mike P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 So if someone is born outside of the USA they are the "enemy", and a terrorist? What about all of the whack jobs that where fortunate enough to be born on US soil? What should we do to see that they do not see this material that is so critical to our national defense? If this DVD is so dangerous why is it even sold in the states, to "ordinary" civilians? If it's acceptable to keep this information away from everyone outside our borders just in the hope to avoid enriching he fertile minds of our "enemies" then would it not stand to reason that if it can help our international enemies, would it not be even more likeley to enrich our own domestic criminals? The same argument that keeps nformation and freedom from anyone will likeley someday be used to keep information and freedoms from everyone. Plus Jerry deserves some overseas sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowrider Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Simpler terms not everyone is but some are and some times the net may get a little too wide but that is an acceptable consequence in a situation like this. Pat That's just the thing. "Acceptable consequence" is a relative term and opinions vary. I'm pretty sure Jerry could use the sales from abroad and I'm pretty sure that his opinion would indicate such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Simpler terms not everyone is but some are and some times the net may get a little too wide but that is an acceptable consequence in a situation like this. Pat That's just the thing. "Acceptable consequence" is a relative term and opinions vary. I'm pretty sure Jerry could use the sales from abroad and I'm pretty sure that his opinion would indicate such. Sorry for not being that articulate. I am not saying Jerry's video should not be sold to shooters outside the country. Just saying I can understand how firearms training material would fall under the export ban list. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gose Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Simpler terms not everyone is but some are and some times the net may get a little too wide but that is an acceptable consequence in a situation like this. Pat The only consequence here is Jerry losing out on money. I'm sure the crafty terrorist can figure out how to download it. Which is probably what they'll do anyway, since it's cheaper, easier and leaves fewer tracks than buying something from overseas with a credit card and an address. Edited January 23, 2014 by gose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phong Nguyen Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 The US State Department considers Jerry's Rifle CDs a security risk and put an export restriction on it Whats next banning Hollywood Action movies outside of the US? Making YouTube illegal? I guess they will take away his passport. What if he competes internationally and someone watches Did you happen to get the final determination from DDTC? I'm a little surprised that it wasn't determined to be EAR99, much like the Panteao DVDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Simpler terms not everyone is but some are and some times the net may get a little too wide but that is an acceptable consequence in a situation like this. Pat So you're opposed to the free dissemination of information in the internet age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritzthemoose Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 The US State Department considers Jerry's Rifle CDs a security risk and put an export restriction on it Whats next banning Hollywood Action movies outside of the US? Making YouTube illegal? I guess they will take away his passport. What if he competes internationally and someone watches Did you happen to get the final determination from DDTC? I'm a little surprised that it wasn't determined to be EAR99, much like the Panteao DVDs. sorry I am not so familiar with the nuts and bolts of ITAR. The information came from Brownells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritzthemoose Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 Simpler terms not everyone is but some are and some times the net may get a little too wide but that is an acceptable consequence in a situation like this. Pat So you're opposed to the free dissemination of information in the internet age? I think it is just a change of times. When I was living in the US for a few years which was before 9/11 many things that seem to be accepted and even wanted this day and age would have resultet in a huge outcry or would have been plainly unthinkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gose Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The US State Department considers Jerry's Rifle CDs a security risk and put an export restriction on it Whats next banning Hollywood Action movies outside of the US? Making YouTube illegal? I guess they will take away his passport. What if he competes internationally and someone watches Did you happen to get the final determination from DDTC? I'm a little surprised that it wasn't determined to be EAR99, much like the Panteao DVDs. Maybe they watched the videos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunlop Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) Frustrating.. Edited February 27, 2014 by Phil Dunlop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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