blairmckenzie1 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 What is the USPSA minimum distance for rifle steel targets. I've been looking and can't find it. Thanks Blair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 5.3.19 Firing a shot at a metal target from a distance of less than 23 feet with a handgun, 147 feet with a rifle, 23 feet with a shotgun when using birdshot or buckshot ammunition, or 147 feet when using slug ammunition. The distance is measured from the face of the target to the nearest part of the competitor’s body in contact with the ground (see Rule [10.1.3]). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jesse Tischauser Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Anybody know where 147 feet is derived from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Anybody know where 147 feet is derived from? Can't answer your question with 100% confidence... but I can tell you that 147 feet is just about, nearly, almost exactly 45 meters. USPSA does a lot of metric conversion stuff like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 50 yard target with a yard you can fault without DQing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Anybody know where 147 feet is derived from?Can't answer your question with 100% confidence... but I can tell you that 147 feet is just about, nearly, almost exactly 45 meters. USPSA does a lot of metric conversion stuff like this. And 45 meters is almost exactly close to 50 yds. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 50 yard target with a yard you can fault without DQing. Why 50? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Close to what IPSC specifies as minimum safe distance for rifle steel. I have seen any rifle steel manufacturers that will approve shooting steel at less than 50 with a rifle. Why, do you want to shoot 10 yard steel with a rifle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Just curious. We shot a bunch of rifle steel at less than 50 yards at the USCA nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 It's one thing for an individual match who knows the quality of their steel to set up targets close. Setting up rules for a nationwide organization where each club has different quality of props is a bit different. Would I be comfortable shooting MGM steel closer? Sure. Would I be comfortable shooting some dudes recycled plow blade? Not so much. If you have a nationwide org, the rules have to work for everyone. In this case it makes them more restrictive that they could be. But it's better to err on the side of caution. I've seen some incredibly stupid things done at matches. Almost all of them have been matches that don't have a sanction. The MD decides what the rules are and can change them as he sees fit. I don't attend those matches anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 It's one thing for an individual match who knows the quality of their steel to set up targets close. Setting up rules for a nationwide organization where each club has different quality of props is a bit different. Would I be comfortable shooting MGM steel closer? Sure. Would I be comfortable shooting some dudes recycled plow blade? Not so much. If you have a nationwide org, the rules have to work for everyone. In this case it makes them more restrictive that they could be. But it's better to err on the side of caution. I've seen some incredibly stupid things done at matches. Almost all of them have been matches that don't have a sanction. The MD decides what the rules are and can change them as he sees fit. I don't attend those matches anymore. I hear that! Nothing like shooting angle iron and brake rotors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) Well as you know Jesse, from all the major matches you have put on, 50 yards is the distance a SLUG will come back and still have the energy to cause damage. I remeber showing you guys the big old "candy kiss" that had come back 35 yards at one of our matches. Why IPSC and USPSA went with that SHORT of a distance for rifle is beyond me. At Superstition one year a 308 came back 80 yards off a piece of steel and lodged in a shooters jaw with just the base sticking out. On military ranges, with fairly "used up steel" I have seen M 193 55 gr. ball ammo come back at least 70 yards with M855 doing even more distance. I have seen brand new ar 500 plates at the wrong angle send carbine bullets back in the 60-80 yard range. If you are to shoot rifles at steel under 100 yards the palte should angle down at 25-30 degrees!!!!!! I can only guess that the guys putting on the US Carbine matches are fairly new at this game and will learn about minimum stand off distances after someone goes to the E.R. Edited December 30, 2013 by kurtm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) I was looking for some scientific data maybe. Edited December 31, 2013 by Jesse Tischauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I don't recommend anyone try it, my advice is don't, but Jesse you could certainly do a bunch of testing for us and let us all know. I do know that on most military ranges minimum stand off is 50 yards for steel, but that is hardly scientific. I urge you to do a bunch of testing, start real close! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Fatboy Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Play nice boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Oh now, I am just trying to commission a scientific study. No I am not in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I would also like to point out that depending on target design the minimum "recommended" stand off distance can be way too close! Just ask the guys at CMMG this year who got frags into them at 15-20 yards and had to go to the Dr to get them dug out, or ask Erik Lund who had a bullet come back about 15 yards cut his forehead and fracture his skull. The minimum recommended for pistol is 7 meters and all these are pistol bullets we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Fatboy Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I am all about someone doing the testing on this. As long as it is not me doing the testing. I need to talk to you Kurt went you get a min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOST Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Does anyone here know if cast bullets is safer than jacketed to shoot at steel targets ? Same effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Anything softer will be safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Cast bullets may offer less change of rebound, but would may pose a problem in AR's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOST Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Cast bullets may offer less change of rebound, but would may pose a problem in AR's. Problems in AR's , or from AR's ? The reason I ask is because I'm not having any problems shooting cast bullets from any of my AR's. And I'm only pushing 155's at 1200fps max. No gas checks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Problems in ARs. Lead wasn't intended for AR and is likely to enter the gas system and cause it to lead up. Whether it's piston or DI. even at 1200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I am guessing that your AR is a 308, and if you can run cast at 1200 without leading the barrel and get the performance you require then good for you. Do the longer range targets give you any problems with such a low velocity? Most people are still shooting .223 and would have a harder time keeping thier bores clear, and or getting sufficient performance. I would be curious to see the condition of your gas system after a few thousand rounds, have you had any issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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