deerassassin22 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Alrighty then my fellow Beno's members get me up to speed with shooting open any reading materials, tips, hints, tricks you name it. I will have hopefully by the end of this week ad Akai Shogun 38SC in my little old hands from a trade I did with a member on this forum. So I have been shooting about 2 1/2 years total minus a deployment so around 14 months or so. I have made C class in Production and L10. I just made B class in limited which is what I mainly shoot never shot open shot a buddies gun 10time or so and well ya'll see the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Seehawer Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Sell your Production and L10 stuff. Welcome to the darkside!!! That gun has won a bunch of stages and a fair amount of wood. Take care of her for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerassassin22 Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 Will deffinetly do all the above and maybe some no shoots along the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Seehawer Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Honestly. Fundamentals become even more important when shooting open. You are gonna now be faced with wanting to shoot on the move more because you can SEE the dot easier while moving. Practice moving smoother while shooting, keep the dot in your wobble zone and just shoot the dot. That Shogun is one of the flattest shooting open guns I have ever shot. It's the exact reason why I bought 2 more when the opportunity arose. Keep your arms extended so the dot is always in the same place. When you run into a stage where you have a low port or have to shoot over a wall, stay behind the gun. Don't think that you can just cant your wrists forward pointing at the target and still see the dot. Either point shoot or if there is a N/S, aquire the dot before lighting the target up. Don't suck your elbows in when you get to ports. Stay back and keep this in mind when doing your walk through. Most of all, Have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerassassin22 Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 My wifes dad shoots open he hooked me up with 2 new 140mm Mags complete and a *thumb rest [generic]* and some brass already. I figure 2 big sticks and a small should get me threw anything. Also can you shoot 9x23 Brass threw that gun? I was told to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Seehawer Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Check the oal of the unloaded brass. Gonna get a mixed opinion on that one though. Hey, you got rifle reloading stuff. Got a trimmer? 38SC chambers are typically .900 deep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerassassin22 Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 ^^^ I have one but I use it for my other calibers if your looking for one get a Hornady or a L.E. wilson they are good and can be had for under 200 for the LE and 80 for the Hornady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 ^^^^ Agreed. Brass prep and QC is an important step in making good ammo for your super, and your super needs good ammo so it can run reliably. I'll pretty much do the following for all ammo, but especially with range pickup brass that wasn't shot through my guns. The only exception for me would be maybe some scrimp loads made just for practice: First I'll deprime/size brass, then run the sized brass through a gauge set at 0.902 - 0.903". The chambers on my guns will take a 0.906 - 0.907" long case before they will not go into battery fully. For a gauge you can use a set of calipers locked in position with the set screw, and then just roll your brass through the jaws (making a little ramp out of tape so they roll right over the beam part helps). Or, you can use a set of parallel jaw clamps with a rod sized to hold the jaws open to your desired case OAL. It goes really quick...like 1k in about 15 minutes. Set the ones that don't go through the gauge aside and trim later if you want. After checking the OAL of the empty cases they get run through an EGW case gauge before loading (actually, my daughter does this for one American dollar!). Load the ammo as normal, then case gauge with the EGW again and visually inspect primers. This process may be a little more work, but it pretty much eliminates ammo related jams for me.. So, short story is to get to know your chamber and the ammo it will feed reliably, and then take the necessary steps to make quality ammo. Oh, and congrats on the new gat and welcome to the Dark Side. Fear not the speed, only the hole that it leaves...or doesn't leave. Either way, it is a heck of a lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerassassin22 Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 ^^^ Thanks for the info wish I had kids sometimes ... You actually trim the brass to the same length? Not trying to start a debate but I was thinking about doing that to all my 38SC i know i do it for my 40 brass for my major matches people laugh but my SD is down to 7 or 8 most the time and my lengths are consitant. I like you motto I'm anal about loading esp for expensive guns and the fact that i never worry about my ammo messing up although sometimes i wish it would gives me an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Seehawer Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 No, trimming is not going to be necessary on that gun. I've never checked the chamber depth because I never needed to. My old Millennium? That's a different story.... Turns out the chamber was only .895" deep and would give me a mystery jam once every 5 stages. Reamed the chamber on the lathe, 100% after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 "You actually trim the brass to the same length?" No, not quite that loco. I'm just checking to ensure they are not longer than 0.903" and culling out the ones that are. I'll trim the ones I cull out after I get a coffee can full or so, which is about once a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerassassin22 Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 Oh ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HI5-O Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Target focus, not dot focus. Sometimes I run into trouble when switching from iron sights back to the dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerassassin22 Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 I was thinking which sometimes I shouldn't but anyhow. I have a 22lr with a cmore top mount on it would the same principles still apply to tracking the dot and such? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Seehawer Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 It'll probably be pretty similar, just the blast will be different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerassassin22 Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 Man I Love that gun. Everyone at the range is amazed by the nice Fireball sometimes with the 3n38 first time it scared the be jeasous out of me. Have you shot your new toy yet? Also how many mags does every carry> I was thinking 2 Big Sticks, and a Medium Stick. So 1 in the gun 2 on the belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Seehawer Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Nope, just played "Army" with it around the house so far. Soon enough, I hate it being this clean I have 3 pouches on my belt. 2 in front hold 140's (I only load them with 21 for easy seating). 1 more pouch under my left arm holds my stage start big stick. I also keep a magnet on my front pouch for unloaded/seated starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerassassin22 Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 It stays that clean you will see after you shoot it the only thing you need to clean each time really is the gas regulator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 my SD is down to 7 or 8 most the time and my lengths are consitant. I am down to about 4-6 with 9mm range brass. I think press operation has more to do with that than anything else. I can't imagine trimming pistol brass on a routine basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris iliff Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I was thinking which sometimes I shouldn't but anyhow. I have a 22lr with a cmore top mount on it would the same principles still apply to tracking the dot and such? Since there is almost no dot movement with a 22 based dot gun it is different IMHO. If you are getting dot movement, and by this I mean a lot of up and down, then you are not gripping tight enough, c'mon, it's a .22. Yes, it's the same principle, you should be seeing more dot movement with the Open blaster though. You are talking about a 22lr handgun right? With a 22 based open gun, you need to make everything extremely hard. Increase distances by triple, reduce target size by a lot. Think index cards. The 22 is so easy to control, if care is not taken and this aspect accounted for, you can jack up your shooting a bit. I always practiced with the 22 then immediately used the race gun on the same drill. Saved a ton of ammo and got the benefit of trigger time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerassassin22 Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 ^^^ Thanks for the advice, I was looking to save the ammo piece more then anything^^^^ I'm also going to start doing dryfire drills figure it can't hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durtarg Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I just got my first Open gun also. Looking forward to getting into it. Thanks for all the great replys on this post. It will help a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerassassin22 Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 Well shot my first real USPSA Match and got my first 2 stage wins ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Right on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I used to do the 22lr thing to reduce ammo costs but since the crazy times started can't get anywhere near enough 22 to make worthwhile ... You all got some secret cave to go to buy 22lr ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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