drouinhomebuilders Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Thanks dog I pulled the primer assembly apart and cleaned it first up I'm sure my shell plate is 100./' correct tight You know what is bothering me? I did the shell plate bearing conversion about the same time this issue started as my press had very bad backlash problems to the point that I couldn't use powders like unique After doing the bearing conversion it solved my powder spilling problems and at the time I was over the moon about the conversion BUT now I'm having second thoughts????? Over the last few days I've loaded approx 7k 45acp and I have bent 1x 13662 Primer indexing arm, also badly chewed out 1x 13670 Primer cam & are starting to wear another My theory is that with the shell plate bearing installed it is more likely or possible to get the priming operation out of sync ie- there are times where you hesitate or move the handle back a bit & then continue & by doing that you mess up the indexing of the rotary primer disk??? I would like some input from others about this please My intentions at this time is to clip half a coil from the shell plate indexing spring and also to remove the bottom washer from the bearing conversion??? I do know this is frustrating me immensely and really FWIW Dillon should really have addressed the issue of 650's sloshing powders as the shell plate indexes to the next station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drouinhomebuilders Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Thanks dog I pulled the primer assembly apart and cleaned it first up I'm sure my shell plate is 100./' correct tight You know what is bothering me? I did the shell plate bearing conversion about the same time this issue started as my press had very bad backlash problems to the point that I couldn't use powders like unique After doing the bearing conversion it solved my powder spilling problems and at the time I was over the moon about the conversion BUT now I'm having second thoughts????? Over the last few days I've loaded approx 7k 45acp and I have bent 1x 13662 Primer indexing arm, also badly chewed out 1x 13670 Primer cam & are starting to wear another My theory is that with the shell plate bearing installed it is more likely or possible to get the priming operation out of sync ie- there are times where you hesitate or move the handle back a bit & then continue & by doing that you mess up the indexing of the rotary primer disk??? I would like some input from others about this please My intentions at this time is to clip half a coil from the shell plate indexing spring and also to remove the bottom washer from the bearing conversion??? I do know this is frustrating me immensely and really FWIW Dillon should really have addressed the issue of 650's sloshing powders as the shell plate indexes to the next station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob HESS Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Ive tried both the bearing and cutting the spring. The bearing caused more problems as noted above and the spring cut didn't fix the snapping and spilling. I just grab the brass just before it stops with my left index finger to prevent the snap and it works perfectly. takes a little while to get use to it but it works great. I loaded 2,000 rounds and virtually no powder spill. I know this comment is off topic here but applies if you remove the bearing to fix other problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drouinhomebuilders Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Thanks Rob That idea about grabbing the case might work, but really it sucks Dillon are so busy they aren't answering the phone, I've been trying to call but can't get through This morning I am going to pull it down take a real good look as I have a new unused small primer conversion at hand & try & see what's going on I may even change out this small conversion to large & see what happens That bottom bearing washer is definitely going as well I'm really wondering if I should be trying to source a replacement spring from someone like wolf gun springs? Something is definitely awry as I have started badly wearing that 2nd primer cam in less than 1k rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drouinhomebuilders Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I will also replace the priming punch from my spares kit I should be able to compare the 2 primer assemblies & see if something is obviously a miss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob HESS Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I agree it is a pain but I got tired of spilling powder all over the place especially with 9mm. Now that I have done it for thousands of rounds I don't realize I am doing it. Obviously with .45 acp I really don't need to do it. I did cut about 1/4 off of the spring trying that fix as well. It didn't solve the problem but I did leave that fix in. Please let us know what Dillon says. I still fight the sideways primer in the brass issue. I only see it sporadically so I have tried to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Man, for the life of me I can't figure out your problem. My bearing kit fixed all of my problems and created none. A buddy put one on his press and had a problem but we figured out that he put the bearing under his shell plate. You didn't by chance do the same thing did you? That bearing should have no bearing whatsoever on the indexing of your press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob HESS Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 are you saying that the bearing goes on top of the shell plate? isn't the shell plate supposed to ride on the new bearing to smooth it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drouinhomebuilders Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 The bearing goes on the top side of the shell plate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob HESS Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I'm going to have to take another look at that. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 It goes on top. If it is underneath it lifts the plate up too high for the ball bearing to lock in the index. Put the bearing on top of the plate with only one washer on top of the bearing. Put the main bolt back in and tighten it until the plate just moves smoothly when turned by hand. The bearing allows you to tighten the plate down more than is considered normal. This is what eliminates the snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob HESS Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 If I remember right it came with a couple of washers. That makes more sense. I was having problems with the extra height eject completed rounds because the ejector wire wouldn't go back into it hole. Sounds bad. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob HESS Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I needed your correct instruction last year when I tried this. I now need to find those parts to try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drouinhomebuilders Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 +1 for Sarge ONLY install the top washer There is no valid reason to have the bottom washer, in fact it is detremental to the cause of what is trying to be achieved That bottom washer increase height unnecessarily & may lead to other issues In fact first thing this morning I tried doing away with the bearing all together BUT I still had the powder slosh & snapping issue so I clipped the spring twice @ max half a coil & while that did help it wasn't good enough so the bearing minus bottom washer went back in I'm still having problems & have only loaded approx 900 in 2 days I'm about to pull my hair out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drouinhomebuilders Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I've spent more time taking it apart, trouble shooting & getting angry than I have loading cases It ain't right yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drouinhomebuilders Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I just got it all back together & after playing with the business card spacing, its worse, I am getting at least 1 maybe 2 very badly crushed primers per 100 as per Franko79's pictures on the previous page & maybe 3-4 not so bad, but unusable per 100, its unacceptable. If only I could get onto someone at Dillon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drouinhomebuilders Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Say, how do you add pictures to this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOPINTO Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I had similar issues with my press, I now use slide glide to lube my bearing fix and other area's on the press... My primer assembly was screwed, I tried to rebild it and put a new disc in and new springs and it was no better, I got a brand new assembley and it solved all my issues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I just got it all back together & after playing with the business card spacing, its worse, I am getting at least 1 maybe 2 very badly crushed primers per 100 as per Franko79's pictures on the previous page & maybe 3-4 not so bad, but unusable per 100, its unacceptable. If only I could get onto someone at Dillon You really need to call Dillon. Something is wrong with the primer system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drouinhomebuilders Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Well I found the problem I finally got on to Dillon with Brains help (Your a gentleman Brian, thank you immensely) After pulling it down for the third time, I noticed scratches on the underside of the primer disk that wernt there last time, Upon further investigation I found the primer seating rod wasn't retracting all the way & sometimes slightly grabbing the primer disk & not allowing it to index 100./' correctly Then cam the woozie, The primer seating conversion that screws in from under the press base had come loose & wound out partially from the threads How did this happen????? If you look down from the shell plate, The primer disk indexes counterclockwise and the primer seating conversion punch unthreads clockwise (from the top side anyway) What was happening was as the disk scraped it actually was undoing the primer punch on the seating conversion When I got the seating conversion out of the press the punch was 1/8" proud of the face of it, stopping the punch retracting properly I soaked it in paint thinners for an hour, then worked it back & forth in the thinners until I got all the gunk out How gunk, dust actually, can get down in there is beyond me!!!! Dillon have a replacement primer seating conversion on the way to me, in the meantime this one will get me by That punch conversion had been in there for about 11k rounds From now on I will store my primer conversion in a glass jar of alcohol With it all back together again, it is running sweet as ever Thank you again Brian & also Dillon Much appreciated Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Do you do any operation where you de-prime and size a case but do not prime, such as processing rifle brass? Thats how it can get all gunked up, dirt & carbon from the primer cup... jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drouinhomebuilders Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 No I haven't at all I couldn't believe dust could get in there as much as it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cecil Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I have a fairly new 650.. for some reason every once in a while.. i load a bullet that has no primer. last time i reloaded about 150 rounds i had 4 bullets loaded without a primer.. . and i find primers in that little primer chute on the right side... any ideas to correct this malfunction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob DuBois Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Had this issue along with primers that would jam in the auto filler. Winchester smal pistol primers loading 40 S@W. Some of the primers are not round but oval one batch really gave me a hard time. Spent Friday afternoon cleaning and polishing everything in the primer system. Ran Q-Tips with a small amount of Simichrome polish through the tubes. Polished the primer disc and did a slight bevel on the holes. The punch was level and the book said level or just a little under so left the punch alone. Put a 45 case on the plastic primer tube pusher. Ran two hundred after cleaning and polish without problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drouinhomebuilders Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Cecil Before I had the major problems this also happened to me every now & then Basically something is either dirty or you have a burr somewhere First I would run a couple of pipe cleaners saturated in alcohol of Thinners back & forth to clean your feed tubes Take your circular primer disk out & put it FLAT on a sharpening stone with oil & polish it flat cleaning both faces, then take the right size drill bit & clean the chamfers on the primer disk holes where the primers go in & ride Lastly before re- assembling it all check out the aluminum base of the press where the primer disk rotates, if you have ever blown a primer you may have burrs on the base from an anvil Or You've got an anvil that has put a nick in the base It will be something small so take a real good look It doesn't take muck of an imperfection in the primer disk or the base to screw up the feeding of primers LASTLY I have adopted the policy of not recycling good primers that come down the ski jump when I am having issues like this, just throw em in the trash as the stress factor far out weighs the cost of aggravation & the perceived primer value You might just find the offender being an irregular primer that you are re-cycling Likewise any primers that have fallen on the ground need to be deep sixed If you are or ever run a RF100 you will learn these lessons very quickly The primer cost loss is nothing compared to the stress of primers stuck in a feed tube & the associated danger of trying to get an out of round primer dislodged from a feed tube, been there, done that I recently blew a primer in a RF100 feed tube & shot myself in the finger with the anvil DANGER DANGER A lesson quickly learnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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