bray Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Help, a newbie needs advice on what rifle to use for three gun in Calif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Howdy, If you don't already own an AR-15 type rifle (prior to December 31, 2000), you won't be getting one in Kalifornia (my home state too!). This limits your choices to the M1A, or the Ruger Ranch Rifle (Mini-14). I have seen customized Ruger 223's do very well against AR type rifles. The M1A will do a good job too! Check out this link for the pros & cons of the M1A http://www.brianenos.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard...2&topic=228 Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 If you don't shoot at real rifle distances, consider a Mech-Tech carbine conversion. A .38 Super will be flat enough shooting out to 100 yards, about the limit for a dot sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 The .30 caliber M1 Carbine is another good option that will shoot real well out to 100 yards (maybe even 200 if the wind ain't too bad). A 110 grainer moving 1900-2000 fps meets USPSA minor by a decent margin. The little carbine handles real well and would be a winner on short hose courses. I think it's a pretty good looking gun too! BTW, hi cap magazines would be the biggest hassle with any choice you make. Ah, Kalifornia, I love you so ;~) Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 Move to Arizona! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeeter Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 just move, living in calif. cann't be worth what ever it is that keeps you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted October 31, 2002 Share Posted October 31, 2002 I would leave this damned state in a minute if my business wasn't tied to the local market. If/when the legislators here starting making more stupid moves, all considerations go out the window and I'm gone! (Edited by George at 11:47 pm on Jan. 6, 2003) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted November 1, 2002 Share Posted November 1, 2002 Mech-tech carbine is consider to be an assault weapon in CA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted November 1, 2002 Share Posted November 1, 2002 Only from the time you put it on pistol in the safe area to the time you take it off. Face it, it's not possible for somebody living under Caliban rule to obtain a "competitive" 3-gun rifle and magazines and stick to the letter of the law. Even the best options, M1 carbine, Mech-Tech, and M1A, require the purchase of standard capacity magazines. Think about how uncompetitive a 10-round .308 M1A is. Perhaps bray should speak up as to whether she or he wishes to be competitive or just simply have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted November 1, 2002 Share Posted November 1, 2002 Let's not dig too deep into the fact that magazines are expendables. They wear out and have to be replaced on a somewhat regular basis. How that is done here in Kalifornia is still a mystery to me ;~) BTW Erik, I love the term Caliban. It sums up my feelings perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bray Posted November 2, 2002 Author Share Posted November 2, 2002 The b is for Bill, thanks for all of the great advise and Eric I hope you won't mind if I use caliban. I've already passed it all over the office. one more bit of help from those in calif. where could I have either a carbine or Ruger accurized, I live in san jose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted November 2, 2002 Share Posted November 2, 2002 Howdy Bill, I do not know of anyone building really good IPSC rifles in this state anymore. I would say your best bet is Accuracy Speaks in Arizona. http://www.accuracyspeaks.com/ My guess is that if anyone will be able to build you up a great M1A, M1 Carbine, or Mini-14 it will probably be them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted November 4, 2002 Share Posted November 4, 2002 I just attended Bennie Cooley's rifle class (in the Caliban) and the last drill was to shoot a round from everybody else's rifle. One of the best triggers in the group was on a Mini 14! It had a scope and an aftermarket stock, but the scope was too high. The Tasco dot sight on the other Ruger was way too high; I couldn't even chin-mount the thing. (In fact, almost everybody had too-high scopes.) Accurized, a Mini 14 can hit the targets. And it's reliable. I don't know how many dollars it takes to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistral404 Posted November 4, 2002 Share Posted November 4, 2002 http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/min14con.htm Clark in Louisiana does some interesting things with a mini14. You might be able to get some ideas from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted November 6, 2002 Share Posted November 6, 2002 Erik, What kind of stock did it have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted November 6, 2002 Share Posted November 6, 2002 The Mini-14 with the PDP dot had a standard-type wood stock, don't know if it was original or not. The tricked out Mini-14 with the magnifying scope had a synthetic stock with a pronounced pistol grip, a la HS Precision and other "sniper" stocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 If you can't use the CCU carbine upper, you might want to also look at the Marlin Camp Carbines for <200 yard shooting. I don't know the for sure, but I can't see them being ruled "assault weapons", even in Kalifornia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 I didn't think that Marlin made them anymore . I know Ruger makes it as a PC9 (9x19) and a PC4 in 40 S&W. They take the P series handgun mags, at one time available in 30 rds. But again, unless you have the mags already, you will be stuck with 10 rds. Lots of mag changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogmaDog Posted December 9, 2002 Share Posted December 9, 2002 Stoopid California. Can't you legalize an AR-15 just by painting it pink or something? I mean, then it wouldn't be black, so that removes at least one of its "evil" features, right? Draw smiley faces on the points of your bullets, too. Just a stupid question: would an AR-15 outfit with a more conventional rifle stock (no pistol grip) be legal in california? Later, DogmaDog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted December 10, 2002 Share Posted December 10, 2002 Dogmadog, If it were legal, would you be seen shooting a pink AR? I've seen a purple one though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted December 10, 2002 Share Posted December 10, 2002 Warpspeed, If all you need is to get rid of the pistol grip you might check JP Enterprises out. They seem to have a variety of guns that don't have the offending pistol grip. Brownell's also carries the thumbhole butt-stocks from JP. -jhgtyre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted December 10, 2002 Share Posted December 10, 2002 I don't know about Caliban, but I've been told by ATF agents that the thumbhole stocks for AR do not remove the evil pistol grip. At least not as far as they're concerned. If you're going to go that route, I'd get it in writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted December 10, 2002 Share Posted December 10, 2002 jhgtyre, Thumbhole is considered a pistol grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted December 10, 2002 Share Posted December 10, 2002 It seemed like such a good idea. Good thing I live in AZ. If I see any other kind of stock I will post it. Sorry, -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overkill Posted December 10, 2002 Share Posted December 10, 2002 I remember at one time the rule of thumb the Ca DOJ was using had them drawing an imaginary line, paralel to the bore at the top of the trigger. IIRC "some" of the grip had to be above that line. Since the AR types have alot of reciever above and behind the top of the trigger it pretty much makes it impossible to have a firing grip without a pistol grip. FWIW I just shot my first three gun a couple weeks ago and used a M1A Scout. Did fine on the up close and hosing stage. Something deliciously gratuitous about double tapping a target at two yards with a 308. Kinda got my a$$ kicked at the 200 yard line but that was my own fault for not haveing a better 200 yard zero going in. Also the berm was taking the rounds without much dust so self-spotting was difficult. AIM Surplus has 1000 rnd cases of portguese surplus 308 for $150 delivered so there is really no cost disadvantage to 308. The recoil issue could still be a problem but I think if you have your act together you can uses the advantages of the M1A to offset much of the liabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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