TriggerT Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 This tip was given to me from IPSCEric, who is one of the lurking members here on the forum. He mentioned to me that when you are doing a draw from surrender to try and keep the shoulder and hand on you strong side back. This way as your hand is going down to snatch the gun from the holster it is going forward into the beavertail safety (1911 owners) and you reduce the risk of coming down on top of the beavertail. Coming down on top of the beavertail safety hasn't been a big problem for me, but when it does happen it completly kills the draw, and can hurt . Simple tip that I thought I would pass along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 also to add to that, Not bringing your weak hand all the way down. I have seen some people on surrender draw bring their weak hand down to almost belt level. The problem that I see with this is it creates alot of wasted motion and extra movement on your weak side. Good tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 That tip is on the forums on here somwhere. There's also something to be said for moving your gun/holster forward on your belt (for shooting Steel Challenge, all surrender) or just shifting the slack forward (for shooting a surrender stage at an IPSC match). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.carden Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 Kingman, Bringing your weak hand down came be advantageous in securing a proper grip milli-seconds before you break the shot. Also too, it can create a more controled ryhthm moving both hands down, then up again, thus moving "FASTER". Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1b Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 I think they are all good tips. My advice - don't over complicate the draw. Whatever gets your hand on the gun solid and quick is the technique to go with. I've screwed with it endlessly and found that no matter what position the gun or hand is in - if I focus on getting to the gun clean I perform a better draw . . . Just my $.02 JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 D. carden - I was talking I have seen people move it as low as the belt. I don't see a reason for that much movement. But you could be right I will try to allow some more movement this wknd in practice and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerT Posted July 29, 2004 Author Share Posted July 29, 2004 I think they are all good tips. My advice - don't over complicate the draw. Whatever gets your hand on the gun solid and quick is the technique to go with. I've screwed with it endlessly and found that no matter what position the gun or hand is in - if I focus on getting to the gun clean I perform a better draw . . . Just my $.02 JB I can't remember if I read it, or if it was on one of the videos from one of the GM's, but they summed it up by saying that you should focus on "Getting to the shooting" reguardless of what the start possition is. Good advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 i've seen alll kinds of insane positions.. i've seen people have wrists above heads ! reaching out in front of them.. alll sorts of things. for ipsc i like my hands near the bill of my had and i see a lot of GM's having them near there. what makde the biggest difference for me was leaving my elbos out and just reaching down not having to sweep my arm all the way back. i bring my hand down to the same place it is when i draw from hands at sides... not wasted time and an even motion besides then i'm starting from exactly the same draw stroke. consistancy is the key if it knocks the gun out of the holster 1 of 10 times it's not very consistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 I think they are all good tips. My advice - don't over complicate the draw. Whatever gets your hand on the gun solid and quick is the technique to go with. I've screwed with it endlessly and found that no matter what position the gun or hand is in - if I focus on getting to the gun clean I perform a better draw . . . Just my $.02 JB That's good advice. Everybody makes everything so complicated. Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we all just let it happen, and just shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeper Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 To go along with Matt and Barnestormer, I am reading that "Golf is not a game of Perfect" book right now. The author seems to make fun of those who are always focused on the perfection of form instead of the game itself. He notes how the true greats of the game never really had perfect form and some even had really bad form. Interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 I think they are all good tips. My advice - don't over complicate the draw. Whatever gets your hand on the gun solid and quick is the technique to go with. I've screwed with it endlessly and found that no matter what position the gun or hand is in - if I focus on getting to the gun clean I perform a better draw . . . Just my $.02 JB Yep. I'll grap the bill of my hat, just because it is a good repeatable reference point and I know my wrists will be above my shoulders. I'll also look at my gun to get a visual refernce point. Once the buzzer goes my eyes will snap to the first target. Seems to work ok and I don't snag my sights with the web of my hand that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 D. carden - I was talking I have seen people move it as low as the belt. I don't see a reason for that much movement. But you could be right I will try to allow some more movement this wknd in practice and see what happens. It doesn't matter if you go all the way below the belt, your right hand is doing that, just as long as you can get it to the gun when it needs to be there. Sort of like the flick in the reload, it may be extra movement, but it takes no time because you are multitasking already and you have dead time there. You could slap your thigh with wour weakhand and it wouldn't take any more time, it might actually make your draw smoother since that is the way you draw normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 I have my hands in the draw position (left on stomach, right on gun, just as I want my grip to be), and then on the "Are you ready?" or facsimile thereof, take a deep breath, exhale, and rotate up at the elbows. Focus on getting the gun out of the holster. What slows my 1st shot down is my slow reaction to the beep and not seeing fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.carden Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 My weak hand position wheather hands-up, or relaxed at sides is to cross over and grip the strong hand in the bottom-half of the draw. This is also where i would begin strong-to-weak transfer for weak hand shooting. It allows a smooth non-stop movement to the sight-picture for either. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdragon Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Get to your gun as fast as you can, snatch that puppy out as fast as you can, get your hands together as fast as you can, take a breath pick up your sights as you extend and feel the trigger break. Ivan SCS Vegas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 I am reading that "Golf is not a game of Perfect" book right now. An excellent undertaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 but it takes no time because you are multitasking already and you have dead time there ...Not if you load like Travis in his video... (sorry for the thread drift) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 Try going in reverse. Take your strong hand up from the gun wherever it my be on your belt to a place just above your shoulders. Then you can go directly to the gun without having to track to it. Less wasted movement. FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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