Paul-the new guy Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 "Why would you assume a round you pick up will blow up your gun? Just curious." Why would you assume a round you pick up WON'T blow up your gun? Just curious. And so as not to sound completely facetious, I'll expand. Why take an unnecessary risk to save a few cents? If a few cents are that important to you, shooting sports is not your game. Well, obviously the are not blowing up the guys gun that is shooting them routinely. Why is it a risk at all? As far as the pennies, yeah every penny is important to me. I watch my pennies and that way I don't have to worry about my dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster113 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 used to pick up 9mm rounds I found on the ground and shoot them out of my SIG until I found out that one of our Open guys is running a 9major. Dont want to take a chance with a kaboom. now 9mm rounds are left where they are found. I'm even hesitant to pick up fired 9mm cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanWalker Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 "Why would you assume a round you pick up will blow up your gun? Just curious." Why would you assume a round you pick up WON'T blow up your gun? Just curious. And so as not to sound completely facetious, I'll expand. Why take an unnecessary risk to save a few cents? If a few cents are that important to you, shooting sports is not your game. Well, obviously the are not blowing up the guys gun that is shooting them routinely. Why is it a risk at all? As far as the pennies, yeah every penny is important to me. I watch my pennies and that way I don't have to worry about my dollars. I shoot Production in 9mm. My gun has a factory spec firing chamber which means that it is capable of withstanding a certain industry standard chamber pressure when the cartridge is fired. Factory loaded 9mm just barely make MINOR power factor of 125. Some open guns are chambered in 9mm as well but they have been designed to withstand considerably higher chamber pressures so that cartridges can be loaded hot enough to make MAJOR power factor of 165. That means that a 9mm major round is 33% hotter than a minor round. The SAMMI spec for a standard 9mm (minor) round states that it should produce roughly 36,000 PSI of chamber pressure in a firing chamber that is rated at 40,000 PSI. Sooooooo, if you load a 9mm major round in a factory spec gun you are going to produce somewhere in the neighborhood of 45,000+ PSI in the firing chamber. Do you begin to see the problem this can cause? Blown up firing chamber equals shrapnel in very close proximity to many body parts you hold near and dear. Just so you know, 9mm+P loads are only 10% hotter than standard loads and produce an average 39,700 PSI chamber pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theycallmeingot Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 even if you just saw the round come out of someone's gun that shoots minor production... it's not a good idea to assume that some random dude who dropped a round on the ground knows wtf he's doing at the reloading bench. for someone who watches their pennies, you might want to keep an eye on the dollars as well. it's an expensive lesson to learn, to pick up someone else's hot or double charged round and blow up your gun, and/or causing injury to yourself, or worse, someone else. All so you can save, at most, $.25? I would gladly give everyone on my squad a quarter for every round they lose at unload and show clear to keep them from blowing their gun to pieces while i'm in their proximity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardy Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I don't shoot dropped ammo, ever. If I catch it (or the RO does) then it goes back in the mag. Otherwise it's dead to me. After all, you never know if you pick up someone else's ammo and they had an accidental double charge (or no charge) for just that one 'lucky' case on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laz2011 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Mark your rounds.I would never shoot ammo picked up on a stage that is not marked by me.Don't want to have to replace my gun do to a dumb move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob DuBois Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Marking rounds is a good idea. At our club it may help get some of your brass back when another shooter pickes it up. We let each other know how it's marked at startup and give it to it's owner after picking up brass. Also helps to solve problems if your having an issue. Shooting unknown rounds, bad idea. Keep the round pull the bullet or toss it on the berm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Why would you assume a round you pick up will blow up your gun? Just curious. Because when I RO a match 98% of the failures ,of ANY kind ,are with reloads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuflehundon Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 "Why would you assume a round you pick up will blow up your gun? Just curious." Why would you assume a round you pick up WON'T blow up your gun? Just curious. And so as not to sound completely facetious, I'll expand. Why take an unnecessary risk to save a few cents? If a few cents are that important to you, shooting sports is not your game. Well, obviously the are not blowing up the guys gun that is shooting them routinely. Why is it a risk at all? As far as the pennies, yeah every penny is important to me. I watch my pennies and that way I don't have to worry about my dollars. I shoot Production in 9mm. My gun has a factory spec firing chamber which means that it is capable of withstanding a certain industry standard chamber pressure when the cartridge is fired. Factory loaded 9mm just barely make MINOR power factor of 125. Some open guns are chambered in 9mm as well but they have been designed to withstand considerably higher chamber pressures so that cartridges can be loaded hot enough to make MAJOR power factor of 165. That means that a 9mm major round is 33% hotter than a minor round. The SAMMI spec for a standard 9mm (minor) round states that it should produce roughly 36,000 PSI of chamber pressure in a firing chamber that is rated at 40,000 PSI. Sooooooo, if you load a 9mm major round in a factory spec gun you are going to produce somewhere in the neighborhood of 45,000+ PSI in the firing chamber. Do you begin to see the problem this can cause? Blown up firing chamber equals shrapnel in very close proximity to many body parts you hold near and dear. Just so you know, 9mm+P loads are only 10% hotter than standard loads and produce an average 39,700 PSI chamber pressure. This^^^^^. One of the guys at my club has an open gun that shoots 9mm major. I was asking him about the difference. He said that his rounds could cause a regular 9mm pistol to blow up. He let me shoot his pistol with factory ammo, and then with his reloads for major PF. It felt like I was shooting a different gun. There is a video on youtube of a guy having his gun blow up on him while shooting due to to high of chamber pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillD Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I don't pull bullets anymore. Screwups get dropped in the brass/dud bucket at the range. If I saw where my ULSC round went or if the RO caught it, I'll use it. Too much work for too little gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 The little voice was right! Nice work! The little voice is never wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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