dd03 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I'm confused between the two. Can someone explain the differences in the pistols and holsters. I want to compete in the West Coast Steel Championship but I don't know how to classify myself. I will be shooting XD 9mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bshooter Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I know the XD and XDm are considered production guns in USPSA but are ESP in IDPA. It is said the safe action of the XD/XDm is not the same as the glock therefor placing it in ESP. Does that about sum it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dd03 Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 Thanks for the info, Bshooter. What about holsters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sroe3 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 IDPA doesn't allow spacers between the holster and belt (see Blade-Tech DOH). Double belt systems are also out for IDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckfarris Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I am not 100 percent on this but I believe there is a minimum poundage on your trigger pull weight in idpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Burtchell Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) I am not 100 percent on this but I believe there is a minimum poundage on your trigger pull weight in idpa For IDPA There is no minimum trigger weight pull in IDPA. No Dropped and Offset holsters No Inner/Outer belt (CR Speed etc) No Competition style mag pouches (CR Speed etc) No stainless or tungsten guide rods (SSP) ok for ESP No Stippling of grips (Grip tape is ok) SSP- ok for ESP You could add a magwell for ESP too, but would not be allowed in USPSA Production. Edited May 17, 2012 by Paul Burtchell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind bat Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 There are restrictions to the placement of grip tape in Production. Basically, you can only apply grip tape to the "grip panels". IDPA limits the number of mag holders on the belt to 2. In Production, there is a great deal of discussion about storing magsin front pockets. Long story short keep pocketed mags in you back pockets. In IDPA you will occasionally be required to retain a magazine during a reload. Most IDPA shooters use ther front pants pockets. That habit can lead to procedural penalties in Production as can discarding mags before the gun is empty in IDPA IDPA requires use of a fishing vest. USPSA requires an expensive Techwear shirt, day glow cleats and cool looking eye protection. Both require 5.11 Tactical pants and at least one pocket knife. I'm half kidding on that last part. (Cleats are forbidden in IDPA). There really are more similarities than differences. Most of this stuff will only get you in trouble at sanction matches. Go to local matches, have fun and shrug off the penalties. It'll become second nature in no time. I'd also recommend you take anything you hear said about USPSA by IDPA shooters (and visa versa) with a serious grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biloxi23 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 USPSA vs IDPA: I've never even gone to anIDPA match, but a bunch of the guys that come to our local outlaw matches shoot them regularly. It is fun to start start a spirited discussion (argument?) with them over USPSA vs IDPA. They get seriously offended if anyone even hnts that what they do is not really "real world." I think last Saturday they finally figured out that another guy and I were uust having a good time yankin' their crank. Hey it's all shooting. That's why they make Chevies and Fords. If it's fun, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblacknight Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 They are both games with set rules you have to understand and find the best way to negotiate said rules. They are the same,but different. IDPA is not real world anything, its a real game just like USPSA, it's just based on self defense principals. You won't turn into Larry Vickers or Ken Hack shooting IDPA. Consult both rule books and find the point in which you can max out the perfromance of your gun and gear while still being legal in both games. Example: Both games let you use grip tape, but where? IDPA lets you stipple removal parts of the grip, does Production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckfarris Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I am not 100 percent on this but I believe there is a minimum poundage on your trigger pull weight in idpa For IDPA There is no minimum trigger weight pull in IDPA. No Dropped and Offset holsters No Inner/Outer belt (CR Speed etc) No Competition style mag pouches (CR Speed etc) No stainless or tungsten guide rods (SSP) ok for ESP No Stippling of grips (Grip tape is ok) SSP- ok for ESP You could add a magwell for ESP too, but would not be allowed in USPSA Production. I stand corrected. Thanks paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 IDPA requires use of a fishing vest. USPSA requires an expensive Techwear shirt, day glow cleats and cool looking eye protection. Both require 5.11 Tactical pants and at least one pocket knife. I'm half kidding on that last part. (Cleats are forbidden in IDPA). I had to laugh out loud. But based on everything I've seen, you are spot on. (however low budget USPSA shooters can use brightly colored Under Armor shirts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sroe3 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Hawaiian shirts are an acceptable alternative to the fishing or photographers vest. At the IDPA match everyone's vest is crisp with creases. I wear mine everyday so it's stretched and misshapen. Go watch and/or try both. USPSA looked more fun when I watched so that's what I chose. Then I learned the rules and got the gear that would conform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perrysho Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Attend some of both, make up your own mind. Think both groups are working on rule changes, for more user friendly events. Just My Opinions! Perry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErichF Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 http://www.craigcentral.com/idpaipsc.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow1 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 http://www.craigcentral.com/idpaipsc.asp Nice link, tons of info in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john61 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I had stippling done on 1911 can I use skate board tape over it. I have sm hands had to make some changes. Thinner grips undercut trigger guard extended slide release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirpy Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 (edited) A 1911 in .45 is CDP and it can be stippled or checkered to enhance gripping. A 1911 in 9mm or .38 Super is ESP and can get the same treatment. Even though I shoot and enjoy both I would like to see the rules changed to allow more work on SSP/Production guns. Both are for basic OOTB/stock pistols to help bring in new shooters. Would I carry a plastic fantastic that has had a $$$$ grip job....YES! Would I carry a 1911 with a comp...YES if it is configured to a 5" or less barrel! Several GS make/made that type of 1911 including Bill Wilson. That being said, I would not carry most of my 1911's because they have match/light triggers nor would I carry my SSP?Production guns becuse they are too big. My carry Colt Officers ACP LW has a smooth 4# trigger pull. None of my other carry guns have been worked over...yet but I do compete in IDPA with all of them! FWIW Richard PS: The reason (as explained to me by John Sayle, one of the founders of IDPA ((and USPSA)) the XD is considered ESP is in the ads that Springfield used when the XD was introduced. I don't remember exactly how they were worded but the powers that be in IDPA used them as the basis to put them in ESP with high $$$ custom 1911's! For that reason alone, I would change the rules to allow grip alterations on the XD family. Edited May 29, 2012 by chirpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RammerJammer Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 PS: The reason (as explained to me by John Sayle, one of the founders of IDPA ((and USPSA)) the XD is considered ESP is in the ads that Springfield used when the XD was introduced. I don't remember exactly how they were worded but the powers that be in IDPA used them as the basis to put them in ESP with high $$ custom 1911's! For that reason alone, I would change the rules to allow grip alterations on the XD family. Is it because the word competition is used in the advertisements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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