38SuperDub Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 This is starting to really bother me. I recently purchased one of the new Ghost Stinger holsters - everything about this holster meets the requirements for Production that are set in stone - 2" from inside belt to nearest side of pistol, 1/2" or less cut under ejection port - the issue that people are hung up on is whether or not this is a "RACE" holster - well here is the problem I have - WHAT IS A RACE HOLSTER? There is no where in the rule book that takes the time to define what a "RACE" holster is and isnt so therefore its up to whoever is ruling at the time to make that decision as to whether or not they view it as a race holster. I feel that if we are going to use terms such as "RACE Holster" or "Suitable for every day use" in the rule book that these things need to be defined - it would be much easier to simply spell out exactly what hte holster should be without terms that anyone can skew to their needs. Why not remove the previous two statements from the rule and use something such as "Firearm must be in retention device that covers trigger as well as 75% of the pistol" that way you are basically saying it needs to be in a kydex type holster. How is this: Any more of a "RACE" holster than this: Yet you have nobody questioning whether or not a BladeTech is legal. I really hate the grey area in the rules - if you are going to use terms - DEFINE THEM IN A GLOSSARY or take them out and be SPECIFIC!!!!! Rant Off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Brandon, send what you just posted to John and let him answer it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdm74 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Look the same to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38SuperDub Posted May 9, 2012 Author Share Posted May 9, 2012 I did. John said he is going to have to look and make sure it's not a race holster. The thing is the rules should be clear cut with no grey area. FWIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avezorak Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I cant see any difference between the DOH and the Stinger as far as styling or raciness. If one is good, the other should be as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I did. John said he is going to have to look and make sure it's not a race holster. The thing is the rules should be clear cut with no grey area. FWIW I agree with you but until a rule is changed in the book its up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38SuperDub Posted May 9, 2012 Author Share Posted May 9, 2012 I know. I will be sending my area director a note requesting this brought up for discussion. Im not mad at anyone just think we need to take interpretation out the rule book S much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Awesome thread! I am in the same boat with a holster I built. It fits all the rules, but there is that nagging grey "Race gun type holster" here is mine of which I sent a pic to John A. on Monday. No response yet. I sent a different pic than this one. The one I sent gives the viewer a better sense of how the CR Speed hanger and CompTac holster are mated together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38SuperDub Posted May 9, 2012 Author Share Posted May 9, 2012 Looks fine by me - but what do I know - I just read the rule book I'm not privileged enough to rule on things lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 He said he is going to take a look?? Where?? I don't see anywhere in the rule book to find the definition of race gun type holster. As far as I am concerned there is nowhere to look. So how do we know? I really think they need to drop that part("race gun" type holster). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z40acp Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Oh Oh, sounds like another one of those "Is this paint in my magwell ok" threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I will admit it look pretty crazy when viewed like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Seehawer Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 That guy is HOT!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38SuperDub Posted May 10, 2012 Author Share Posted May 10, 2012 HAHA NICE - yea that was my biggest issue - the "Race Holster" is not defined - if it was defined then anyone who can read can determine legal or not - I sent Phil an email and spoke with my area director - just asking them to clear this up - make the rules not up for interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) Here's the seceret. Im a mechanic and I just bolted the damn thing to my hip. Ha, beat that. ETA, I had an R.O. measure it. 1 3/4" from the inner belt, FTW. Edited May 10, 2012 by Patrick Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.roberts Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Oh Oh, sounds like another one of those "Is this paint in my magwell ok" threads. This. However, I do agree that the ambiguity of the term "race holster" needs to be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 So someone out there could think the Ghost and my O.P.P.H. would give a competitive advantage over the widely accepted BladeTech. Most BladeTechs I have seen don't pass the 2" rule like mine(and Ghost) does, but nobody seems to care becasue "everone" in Production uses them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoleroJesse Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I don't personally have a problem with those holsters, and I think the defined holster dimensions set forth in the rule book are adequate. If they do rule on them as race holsters, I think the determining factor would be that there is more than one degree of freedom in their adjustment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38SuperDub Posted May 10, 2012 Author Share Posted May 10, 2012 But where in the rule book does it say that having more than one degree of freedom in adjustment qualifies a holster as a race holster - thats my big issue - a "race holster" is not defined - but left up for each person to make their own determination as to what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenG Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 If they do rule on them as race holsters, I think the determining factor would be that there is more than one degree of freedom in their adjustment. huh? Where is that written? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltjones Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Yet another reason I'm getting out of Production eventually. I love the division, and I'm sure I'll still shoot it quite a bit, but this stuff is nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38SuperDub Posted May 10, 2012 Author Share Posted May 10, 2012 It's just frustrating. So many darn rules. Half of which are up to interpretation. Maybe production does need to go away. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Maybe Production should be about the gun and not the allied equipment? Leave all the silly "everyday" rules to SS because its a legacy class? Lots of people seem to think that Production is for noobs with stock guns, I feel that its just as much a full race division as LTD. Maybe it was never intended to be an arms race, but its to late. The rules let you double the cost of a Glock pretty easy. Whoa, lil rant there, I'll stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I think that holster will fly. I know race holster is not defined but I would tend to classify the "bikini" type rigs as race holsters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdphotoguy Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) Looks like a normal holster to me, just the mount between the holster and belt is different then your typical ones. If I'm RO'ing and someone shows up with one, as long as it passes the holster rules for Production, minus the ambiguous "Race Holster" comment, I'd let you use it. Edited May 10, 2012 by jdphotoguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now