Winder Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I shoot a 40 in SS. I have a .45 SS. Would I be able to use the .45 as a replacement for the .40 if it goes down? I understand that it would need to meet PF, etc. Just wondering if it would be considered similar enough to replace it straight up. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffer Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Yes you could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Yes. See rule 5.1.7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winder Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 Excellent, thanks guys. I don't think that I have the skills to make repairs on the fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Rule 5.1.7 leaves it up to the discretion of the RM. I was at a level 2 match last year and a member of my squad was shooting a 2011 in limited. The gun started doubling and the only replacement he could find was a Glock. He was told that he could not shoot the Glock as a substitute for the 2011. There is always a chance that the RM will think you will gain a competitive advantage by switching from the .40 to the .45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Rule 5.1.7 leaves it up to the discretion of the RM. I was at a level 2 match last year and a member of my squad was shooting a 2011 in limited. The gun started doubling and the only replacement he could find was a Glock. He was told that he could not shoot the Glock as a substitute for the 2011. There is always a chance that the RM will think you will gain a competitive advantage by switching from the .40 to the .45. Odd. I wonder what part of the sub-rule he had a problem with... 5.1.7 Competitors must use the same handgun and type of sights for all courses of fire in a match. However, in the event that a competitor's original handgun and/or sights become unserviceable or unsafe during a match, the competitor must, before using a substitute handgun and/or sights, seek permission from the Range Master who may approve the substitution provided he is satisfied: 5.1.7.1 The substitute handgun satisfies the requirements of the relevant Division. 5.1.7.2 In using the substitute handgun the competitor will not gain a competitive advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 If I remember correctly, he told the shooter it had to be the same make and model of gun, but to be honest I was trying to focus on my match. I know the RM is active in these forums, but don't know how to invite his opinion without violating the rules, or causing hard feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 That'd be one of those rare instances where I'd be filing an arbitration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Rule 5.1.7 leaves it up to the discretion of the RM. I was at a level 2 match last year and a member of my squad was shooting a 2011 in limited. The gun started doubling and the only replacement he could find was a Glock. He was told that he could not shoot the Glock as a substitute for the 2011. There is always a chance that the RM will think you will gain a competitive advantage by switching from the .40 to the .45. A few books ago that was the rule, but as Flex pointed out, not any more. He could have substituted his 2011 with a 1911 single stack or shudder....even a revolver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 That'd be one of those rare instances where I'd be filing an arbitration. If the shooter was familiar with the rules we wouldn't be having this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 If I remember correctly, he told the shooter it had to be the same make and model of gun, but to be honest I was trying to focus on my match. I know the RM is active in these forums, but don't know how to invite his opinion without violating the rules, or causing hard feelings. Maybe send him a PM (?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 PM sent. I wish I had your gift of the sliver tongue. Hopefully I worded my question respectfully and politely enough that he will respond either via PM or in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) Well, if I went to one of our local clubs' annual "Glock Match" run with USPSA rules and my Glock in Production broke down, does the RM have the leeway to bar me from using a Production legal CZ or XD as a replacement gun? Edited January 25, 2012 by Skydiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Well, if I went to one of our local clubs' annual "Glock Match" run with USPSA rules and my Glock in Production broke down, does the RM have the leeway to bar me from using a Production legal CZ or XD as a replacement gun? If I was the RM I'd certainly let you finish the match with a CZ or XD, if we couldn't scare up a loaner for you. Whether or not I let you finish the match for score would depend on the wording of the match description/application/prize policy..... WE let subminor shooters finish -- and really nice statisticians (Linda Chico, I'm looking at you) will even e-mail them interim (non-official) results so they can see how they stacked up against their friends... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 It turns out the person i thought was the RM had a different role at the match. Not sure who the RM was or how to get in touch with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Well, if I went to one of our local clubs' annual "Glock Match" run with USPSA rules and my Glock in Production broke down, does the RM have the leeway to bar me from using a Production legal CZ or XD as a replacement gun? Huh? It sounds like a non-USPSA match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Well, if I went to one of our local clubs' annual "Glock Match" run with USPSA rules and my Glock in Production broke down, does the RM have the leeway to bar me from using a Production legal CZ or XD as a replacement gun? Huh? It sounds like a non-USPSA match? Yes, that's what I thought as well. I feel that 5.1.7.1 should hold sway. Unfortunately, some doubt developed in my mind today when I stumbled on the example in 6.1.4.: 6.1.4 Tournament – Consists of two or more firearm specific matches (e.g. a handgun match and a shotgun match, or a handgun match, a rifle match and a shotgun match), or two or more handgun-type matches (e.g. a 1911 handgun match and a “Brand A” handgun match). The individual match results achieved by a competitor in each component match will be used to declare an overall tournament winner, in accordance with the USPSA Tournament Rules. (I was actually looking for the definition of "teams" which I thought I saw in the rulebook, because I was going to propose a concept of year long teams league to my section. It must have been an earlier version of the rules.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Under USPSA... There can be "recognized" matches, that run under USPSA rules, generally. I believe they need prior approval from USPSA, and they owe their mission count fees. Then, we have our Level I, II & III matches. Those can be division specific, I believe. A gun-specific match would need to be a "recognized" match. And, then...if you gun broke, there would be dozens of others just like it that somebody would let you borrow from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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