Skydiver Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Which rule in Appendix D4 or NROI ruling lets me swap the sides for the mag release from left side of the gun as it comes from the factory, to the the right side of the gun? I'm trying to find the "authorizing rules-clause or published interpretation" required by: 21. Authorized modifications (Strictly limited to these items and their stated guidelines) Please note that, during a match, a shooter may be required to demonstrate that their gun is in compliance with Division rules by identifying a specific rules clause or published interpretation which authorizes any disputed modification. If the shooter cannot identify an authorizing rules-clause or published interpretation, the RM shall rule that the modification is PROHIBITED for Production use and shall move the shooter to Open Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Would the fact that the gun is on the approved list be enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Are they made to be reversible? Does Glock put out literature to say they are reversible? I can't imagine that all of the left handed people in the world have to learn to dump a magazine with their shooting hand finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 Beretta 92FS have it in the user manual that the mag release is reversible and instructions on how to do so. As best as I can tell, CZ's and Glock manuals do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Are they made to be reversible? Does Glock put out literature to say they are reversible? I can't imagine that all of the left handed people in the world have to learn to dump a magazine with their shooting hand finger. The Glock Gen 4 is specifically designed to be reversible. New magazines have the cuts on both sides of the tube. The same mag release will work on either the left or right side. But I believe Glock considers it an armorer level swap so it wouldn't be in the manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Why is the shooter forced with the burden of proof to show that it is authorized? Whoever is raising a stink about it should be the one forced to cite chapter and verse of the rulebook or whatever clarifications the NROI has published. You would think that some things like allowing the MRB to be swapped around would be common sense and wouldn't 't need to be spelled out in the rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) Why is the shooter forced with the burden of proof to show that it is authorized? Whoever is raising a stink about it should be the one forced to cite chapter and verse of the rulebook or whatever clarifications the NROI has published. You would think that some things like allowing the MRB to be swapped around would be common sense and wouldn't 't need to be spelled out in the rulebook. App D4 current rule book Authorized modifications 21 Please note that, during a match, a shooter may be required to demonstrate that their gun is in compliance with Division rules by identifying a specific rules clause or published interpretation which authorizes any disputed modification. If the shooter cannot identify an authorizing rules-clause or published interpretation, the RM shall rule that the modification is PROHIBITED for Production use and shall move the shooter to Open Division. Edited January 7, 2012 by Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Yeah, I read that part already... Especially in the blue font part of the original post. Sounds like you're basically guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Are any of the other divisions like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Yeah, I read that part already... Especially in the blue font part of the original post. Sounds like you're basically guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Are any of the other divisions like that? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matgyver Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Are any of the other divisions like that? No. Shooting Production used to be fun. Reading this site has me thinking about single stack...but I fear it is almost as bad and maybe next on the BOD's "we gotta change something" radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 I emailed DNROI. His reply was that 21.6 allows the swapping of sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 so do all/most/some? of the production shooters then have to get that email reply forwarded to them so they can keep a hard copy in their range bags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) There's no need to carry the ruling around, it's in the rulebook. It's pretty clear to me. 21.6 Exchange of minor EXTERNAL components Sights, firing pins, firing pin retainers, extractors and ejectors MAY be replaced with OEM or aftermarket parts. Any other components which are externally visible may ONLY be replaced with OEM parts which are offered on the specific model of gun or another approved gun from the same manufacturer except as specifically clarified below. Examples of external components which may only be replaced with OEM parts include (but are not limited to): magazine releases, slide stops, thumb safeties and triggers. Edited January 9, 2012 by waktasz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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