kwesi Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I'm still considering replacing my G20 with a Limited. I'm wondering if I'll be able to retrieve 10mm brass. What is the ejection pattern? My friends 40 S&W flys out at about 1:00 and 30 feet +. Since I shoot at an indoor range I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 The 10mm EAA pistols send the brass flying at the same trajectory as your buddies 40, but even further due to the higher slide velocity. You can change how far the bass gets tossed by shortening the ejector prong. But right out of the box the brass will get launched really far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Is there a rule of thumb on how much to trim off? Or does this vary a lot based on the recoil spring ( and hammer spring? ) and cartridge load combination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwesi Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 The 10mm EAA pistols send the brass flying at the same trajectory as your buddies 40, but even further due to the higher slide velocity. You can change how far the bass gets tossed by shortening the ejector prong. But right out of the box the brass will get launched really far. I understand the pin shortening but can anything be done to change the trajectory? If I can't retrieve my brass, indoor range, then that would eliminate the Limited, dang! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenite Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 You can change springs to match your load, work on the ejector and set the gun to make the brass all land in the same place as long as the gun stays in the same place. But none of this will help much if you are on a concrete floor, the brass will hit and bounce and slide. Leonard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Skydiver> Every gun is different so I don't have a recommendation of how much to cut off the ejector prong. All you can do is take some off, test fire it, then take some more off until its tossing the brass how you like it. kwesi> You can change the trajectory of the brass by modifying the angle on the tip of the ejector prong. Play with different angles to see how the trajectory changes. For me I would rather launch the brass across the room and have 100% reliable ejection verses ejecting the brass closer and have it jam. The goal should be maximum reliability while shooting. Not risk reliability in order to make a nice little brass pile next to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJH Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I agree whit Cha-Lee. I am on my second Witness in 40, and it has been pretty easy to change how and where the brass lands. first thing's firts, the 40's and 10's are undersprung. So a heavier recoil spring is in order. After that its all in adjusting the tip of the ejector. A guy on my local board shoots some crazy hot 10mm loads out of his Witness. He is running a Sprinco, and has brought his ejector all the way down to .362 (see pic). I would not go that short right off the bat obviously, but take .020-.030" off at a time. Adjusting the ejector tip is easy. You can adjust it so your brass goes right where you want it depending on the angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwesi Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 JJH: are you able to do this without affecting the reliability that Cha-Lee is referring to? If it would eject at 3:00 ( like my G20 ) that would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwesi Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 [quote name='CHA-LEE' timestamp='1306438153' post='1462623' For me I would rather launch the brass across the room and have 100% reliable ejection verses ejecting the brass closer and have it jam. The goal should be maximum reliability while shooting. Not risk reliability in order to make a nice little brass pile next to you. Cha-Lee: I agree and that is what I have out of my G20. I reload my brass and shoot inside. If your not concerned about picking up your 10mm brass then I assume you don't reload. The brass is not inexpensive and rarely do you find any lying around. I would have thought Henning or some other company would have designed one for the reloaders, maybe not. Thanks again for everyone's comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJH Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 (edited) I have no problems with reliability, I carry a Witness in 40 every day, but obviously I have not modified either of mine as agressively as pictured. If you just take .020-.030 at a time you should not have a problem. The big difference would be if you are running some hot loads, and some factory loads. If you modded the ejector just for hot loads you might have trouble with factory loads. if you mod just for factory loads, you may still be chasing your brass 30yds with hot loads. Edited May 27, 2011 by JJH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwesi Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 I have no problems with reliability, I carry a Witness in 40 every day, but obviously I have not modified either of mine as agressively as pictured. If you just take .020-.030 at a time you should not have a problem. The big difference would be if you are running some hot loads, and some factory loads. If you modded the ejector just for hot loads you might have trouble with factory loads. if you mod just for factory loads, you may still be chasing your brass 30yds with hot loads. I shoot my own loads mostly 1200 - 1300 fps so if we could adjust it with 100% reliability all would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 I don't understand the big deal is about this. If you want to change the brass ejection distance shorten the length of the ejector prong. If you go to far and start to get failure to eject jams then get a new sear cage and start over. Is it really that hard to make this simple change on your own? Why would someone take the time to resell a sear cage with a shorter ejector prong when you can do it yourself in less than 2 minutes with nothing more needed than a metal file? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwesi Posted May 28, 2011 Author Share Posted May 28, 2011 I don't understand the big deal is about this. If you want to change the brass ejection distance shorten the length of the ejector prong. If you go to far and start to get failure to eject jams then get a new sear cage and start over. Is it really that hard to make this simple change on your own? Why would someone take the time to resell a sear cage with a shorter ejector prong when you can do it yourself in less than 2 minutes with nothing more needed than a metal file? I must not be communicating this too well. I don't feel comfortable spending $1,000+ on a gun that I might not be able to adjust the direction the brass is heading, not just the distance. I called and spoke to Henning and he even told me that it is not so easy to accomplish, if at all. It simply comes down to the fact that I want to pick up most of my brass to reload. Sorry if this does not explain my reason for posting. Thanks for all your assistance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealio Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Yeah you can't change the ejection angle, but you can reduce the distance. It would be hard to mess this up so it fails to eject. I just took my dremel and ground a bunch off the pin. I still need to do more though as it still tosses the brass a long ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 From my 10mm Match this is what I found Full power 10mm loads with stock springs = low earth orbit Full power 10mm loads with 22lb wolf recoil spring = slightly lower earth orbit 175 powerfactor loads with ejector trimmed about 1/8" brass goes at 4:00 40+ feet ( I have had people return my brass to me from the next bay over because it was throwing it over the berm) Changed Barrel to a 40sw and ran the same bullets as the 175 pf 10mm load at the same velocity with the same powder and the brass now goes about 15' at 4:00 Strange but true I belive it has something to do with the lenght of the 10mm brass and the diference in its center of mass from the 40 sw brass as it gets spun out of the extractor by the ejector. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercooler2 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I started cutting mine down this week. How much did going to .362" make on brass distance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dugiv Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I use this and it works well http://www.gracomodels.com/picatinny.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Be OK for target shooting, could slow you up a little in a match, having to attach it after every draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercooler2 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Wondering how tamed down things were with that ejector? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabodah Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I'm concerned you're reloading brass fired from a g20 in the first place. Have you changed the barrel to one that has a fully supported chamber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealio Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Wondering how tamed down things were with that ejector? Mine tosses brass ~12 feet now, instead of 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercooler2 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 How did G20 get in here?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercooler2 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Wondering how tamed down things were with that ejector? Mine tosses brass ~12 feet now, instead of 40. How far is yours cut down? Have a picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealio Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I can measure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercooler2 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I picked up a new Limited 10mm and first time out it really slung the brass plus put a ugly hit into the brass. I know others have shortened these to remedy the effect since Tanfoglio uses one size to do from .22LR-.45ACP. My other Limited 9mm just dribbles the brass out not even a foot away with the same ejector. Not the case for the 10mm and this one is the worst so far! Yesterday was my first visit since taking the sharp point off and cutting it down just a little. No nasty marks and instead of 30' it was about 25' and still on the concrete instead of the dirt! Stock 9mm Limited ejector left and 10mm Limited ejector first cut on the right Someone went extreme on one but didn't hear the actual results My plan is to get some PPU and keep chopping it down until that dribbles out. Should be the weakest load that will still need to eject properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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