Sliv2 Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Watching a recent episode of the Power Factor Show, they say that shooting strong/weak hand ONLY dictates you can not touch the gun - and that's it. That if a person wanted to... they could support their shooting arm with the non-shooting arm. While this is nothing I would try (I am used to shooting with my non-firing hand on my chest), I am curious if this is true or not. Thanks for your input, Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Watching a recent episode of the Power Factor Show, they say that shooting strong/weak hand ONLY dictates you can not touch the gun - and that's it. That if a person wanted to... they could support their shooting arm with the non-shooting arm. While this is nothing I would try (I am used to shooting with my non-firing hand on my chest), I am curious if this is true or not. Thanks for your input, Alex IDPA rules say: page 82:The weak hand must not touch the gun except when clearing a malfunction. USPSA rules say: However, the competitor will be issued oneprocedural penalty per shot fired while: 10.2.8.1 Touching the handgun with the other hand while firing shots; 10.2.8.2 Using the other hand to support the handgun, wrist or shooting arm while firing shots; 10.2.8.3 Using the other hand on a barricade or another prop to increase stability while firing shots. If the show you were listening to was about IDPA, it sounds as if they were correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliv2 Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Correct. They discussed both separately. I was just asking about the IDPA portion. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) Sweet. I'm going to use my special grip technique where my weak hand only touches my strong hand. Edited April 1, 2011 by Steve Koski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GForceLizard Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 If the purpose of the stage is to simulate a disabled arm then you need to have this covered in the written stage description. Best to avoid the, no it's not covered, but it violates the spirit of the stage arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 saying, "hand cant touch the gun" is not the same thing as saying, "Hand can touch anywhere else" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Hand can't touch where bathing suit covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlweems Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Would a failure to do right be applicable should someone do something such using their strong hand to support their support arm/hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankfan79 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 "Technically" No since it doesn't state it in the rulebook. I think a procedural might be more appropriate (if any). Then again, is your weak hand shooting that damn bad that you feel the need to support your weak arm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirveyr Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 There is no need for an actual written rule. I'm sure the SO would say, "Well, I know your method isn't against the rules. However, I didn't think of doing it that way, nor did the stage designer, so I will give you a PE for doing it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankfan79 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 That would be why I said (if any). All depends on the stage and the stage briefing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 NOBODY except the newest of new puts their weak hand anywhere near the strong hand, strong arm, strong wrist, strong elbow, etc. if SHO is called for. One word to the newbie and the problem is solved forever. I have never seen (or heard of) a shooter try and lawyer this and merely comply with the letter of the law. IDPA shooters have figured this out on their own. It is unfortunate that the rule book isn't clearer, but not terribly unfortunate, as this is just not an issue in IDPA. Koski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehorn Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 NOBODY except the newest of new puts their weak hand anywhere near the strong hand, strong arm, strong wrist, strong elbow, etc. if SHO is called for. One word to the newbie and the problem is solved forever. I have never seen (or heard of) a shooter try and lawyer this and merely comply with the letter of the law. IDPA shooters have figured this out on their own. It is unfortunate that the rule book isn't clearer, but not terribly unfortunate, as this is just not an issue in IDPA. Koski Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 I think that the rulebook is clear enough on this. We all know what weak or strong hand means. Page 14 of the rulebook.. PC 1. Failure To Do Right (FTDR): A. Adds twenty (20) seconds to total score. B. Is assessed for any attempt to circumvent or compromise the spirit or rationale of any stage by the use of inappropriate devices, equipment or techniques. If a new guy does something different out of ignorance then maybe just a PE. If Koski does it then it's a clear FTDR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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