Romans 13 4 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 It was on my list of matches to shoot before I am old and decrepit. And lo and behold I got in this year, so I need some help / suggestions for my load out. I have my personal belt / kit squared away but I'm looking for a Minimum (I'll go over the minimum by 20%) list of things to bring. Example: How much ammo of each kind (rifle, pistol, birdshot, slugs) should I bring. How many mags and can I preload them? Comfort items like camp chairs or is the time spent taping / setting steel? Any suggestions from those of you who have been there, done that would be greatly appreciated. I'm not new to shooting matches, but I am a complete noob to shooting a match of this scale. I'm not shooting Trooper (this year) and I'm building my 3 G cart from the wife's old jogging stroller in a couple of weeks so I have a little room for extras that you can suggest. Thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Yes on the chair. You'll spend a lot of time taping and setting but there is also a lot of down time between stages. And some competitors runs will be 6 minutes of shooting as well so there's even time between shooters. Prepare for just about anything weather wise. I've been there with snow and ice, hail, thunder and lightning, high winds to really nice and warm. As far as ammo, that will have to wait a bit until the ammo counts come out. If you're not shooting trooper, bring way more than you think you'll need. Some of the rifle counts are deceiving. Say, 300 rifle, but many will be at 100+ yards and may require more than one round to hit. Rifle is probably the one you'll need to bring the most over the posted amount of. Pistol not too bad and same with Shotgun. Some of the slug hits are pretty tough though so bring a good amount of extra slugs. You'll need to have a sling on something I'm sure, either shotgun, rifle or both. I normally just bring 1" webbing and jury rig something when I see the stage. Don't worry too much about carrying all the ammo, you can normally stage ammo on the course if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Bros_JLR Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I'm in sort of the same boat trying to figure out what I need to gather up to be prepared for this match so I'll be keeping an eye on this thread for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romans 13 4 Posted March 1, 2011 Author Share Posted March 1, 2011 Thanks for the help Chuck. I truly appreciate it. Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Search on Matt Burkett MGM Iron Man. He has several blogs and lessons learned articles posted in a variety of places that are very helpful. I too am going to my first MGM this year. Matt has been harassing me to go for like 5 years. I've been asking him a lot of questions to get ready. This is his typical ammo load-out: 800 Rifle (400 75's, 400 55's) 100 Precision Rifle 250 7 1/2, 350 6 Birdshot 150 Slugs 100 Buckshot 1000 pistol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBros Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Precision rifle? Is there a bolt gun stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) There's usually a stage, where you can use another rifle for bonus targets that get out there a ways - it differs a little every match. you can stage a separate rifle for those targets. I think 550 is usually the closest of these targets.. ETA - you can use your normal rifle and try to hit them, or just engage them and not take the time.. again, exactly how it works differs match to match Edited March 2, 2011 by D.Hayden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Precision rifle? Is there a bolt gun stage? Matt told me the precision rifle runs from 450 to just under 1000. 20 to 30 rounds. His recomendation was to take a bolt gun and get the hits, if you have one. If not, use the 77s in the AR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Bros_JLR Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) Sweet, I'm thinking we can come up with a little something to use for the precision rifle Thanks for the information! Edited March 2, 2011 by R-Bros_JLR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBros Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Awesome....something we are familiar with....Rogue gets to play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomfab Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I would recommend bringing double of the round count at least. Among other things, MGM double spinners can eat up pistol, slug, and rifle ammo very quickly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goat68 Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Extra is good because the suprise stage wont tell you how much or what kind of ammo you need for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruyere Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Search on Matt Burkett MGM Iron Man. He has several blogs and lessons learned articles posted in a variety of places that are very helpful. I too am going to my first MGM this year. Matt has been harassing me to go for like 5 years. I've been asking him a lot of questions to get ready. This is his typical ammo load-out: 800 Rifle (400 75's, 400 55's) 100 Precision Rifle 250 7 1/2, 350 6 Birdshot 150 Slugs 100 Buckshot 1000 pistol Thank you for posting this so...explicitly? Damn that's a ton of ammo! This will be my first MGM Ironman and I want to be sure I don't run out of BBs. Loading it all sure will be a PITA, but shooting that much will be fun as hell. I am PUMPED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruyere Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Sweet, I'm thinking we can come up with a little something to use for the precision rifle Thanks for the information! I'm planning on a compromise gun: My FNAR 20" heavy barrel with a Leupold LR/T 4.5-14. My local range goes out to 500yds and I can hit a 6" plate about 75% of the time with this setup. As I recall from stage design last year, the 950yd target was about 20" x 40" or about 2 MOA x 4 MOA. As long as the accuracy holds, the semi-auto cycling and 20 round mags of the FNAR should help me do okay on the stage. OR...it's windy as hell and I'm screwed. What setups are other folks planning on using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 That load out is a tad much for the current version of this match. As far as equipment, I think it is essential that you have electric ear pro. There's a lot more RO to shooter interaction in the Ironman than there is with other 3G matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I'm planning on a compromise gun: My FNAR 20" heavy barrel with a Leupold LR/T 4.5-14. My local range goes out to 500yds and I can hit a 6" plate about 75% of the time with this setup. As I recall from stage design last year, the 950yd target was about 20" x 40" or about 2 MOA x 4 MOA. As long as the accuracy holds, the semi-auto cycling and 20 round mags of the FNAR should help me do okay on the stage. OR...it's windy as hell and I'm screwed. What setups are other folks planning on using? I am "planning" on running my lightweight 16" AR and an AR-10 in .260, but that might change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Bros_JLR Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 That load out is a tad much for the current version of this match. As far as equipment, I think it is essential that you have electric ear pro. There's a lot more RO to shooter interaction in the Ironman than there is with other 3G matches. So what would you recommend then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I would plan on having the amount of ammo Matt suggests available. The round count will be published a month or two before the match and you can decide what to take them. Normal match I normally go 50% over the required amounts. I would ease that down a bit on the SG, but up on the rifle, especially the LR ammo. There are a lot of shots past 100 yards at this match. Plan on missing several. It's a bit different shooting on a rifle range and hitting a 1/2 MOA group than trying to hit a 4 MOA targets after running 100 yards, sliding down a slide, going down a zipline or scurrying through a Cooper Tunnel. Bottom line. Hang tight until the round count comes out, then ask again. I'm hoping to shoot both so you can imagine the weight my trucks gonna be hauling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 So what would you recommend then? I agree with Chuck. You should wait until Travis comes out and tells us the round counts.But if pushed... I'd guess take off 30-40% off of Burkett's load out and you should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Here is my load out from last year, I shot trooper and was lucky not to need a reshoot because I was down to my last 5 slugs. I used only one kind of rifle ammo and did not carry a bolt gun. 450. Rifle 450. Pistol 350. Shot 80. Slugs 30. Buck That was last year, the year before was similar, this year might be wildly different. Your milage may vary. If you are not shooting trooper then I would double whatever Travis says is the minimum. Just because you can neutralize paper with one hit, most people use two, or more. And it may take more than 1 hit to spin the double spinners. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 That's more like it. Personally I have already set aside: 600 Rifle Carbine: 400 75's; 200 55's 50 LR Rifle: 105 AMAX .243 500 Pistol: 40 S&W (400 minor (~145PF) 165's; 100 major+ 200 grain) 400 Shot: Walmart 7.5/8's 100 Slugs: Remington Low Recoil 100 Buck: 40 Fiocchi 00; 40 Flitecontrol 00; 20 Military Buck 00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarpau Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 That's more like it. Personally I have already set aside: 600 Rifle Carbine: 400 75's; 200 55's 50 LR Rifle: 105 AMAX .243 500 Pistol: 40 S&W (400 minor (~145PF) 165's; 100 major+ 200 grain) 400 Shot: Walmart 7.5/8's 100 Slugs: Remington Low Recoil 100 Buck: 40 Fiocchi 00; 40 Flitecontrol 00; 20 Military Buck 00 Could you please let me know why the multiple versions of pistol and buck? I can figure out the reason for the different AR loads but not the others. I will be attending my first 3gun match later this year and would like to see if this strategy would help me out. Thanks oh, and I'm assuming you have a youtube channel with the same username as here. love the vids there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I don't do different pistol or buck loads with other matches. MGM Iron Man is unique in that they EXTENSIVELY use MGM spinners and plate racks. For pistol the heavy loads are specifically for the MGM spinners. The minor loads are for everything else. For the different buckshot loads... The Fiocchi are relatively light kicking and have a tight pattern (out of my gun)... they are for far or heavy set plate racks. The Military buck kicks hardest and the patterns aren't as tight as the other two... they are for close spinners. The Flitecontrol buck kicks harder than the Fiocchi, are more $$$, and have the tightest pattern... they are for farther spinners (10-15+ yards) and secondly for far or heavy set plate racks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I need to start saving my $ for the 2012 ironman now. He'll I gotta get a precision rifle too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I need to start saving my $ for the 2012 ironman now. He'll I gotta get a precision rifle too! Or borrow one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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