bigbrowndog Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Since I'm at work with little to do but surf the interweb and save damsels in distress!!!! I decided to read the NEW version of the multigun rules that will affect the latest and greatest Multigun Nationals. It seems that if you shoot in Limited Division your SG does not have a maximum rounds allowed limit. It plainly states "magazine round count limit----NO" But if you shoot Tactical, or HM, or HMT, your magazine does have a maximum round count limit. Plainly stated as "magazine round count limit----8 rounds" Can this be corrected in time for the match, or will Limited competitors be allowed to "play by the rules" Trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 It's a typo. Supposed to be 8 rounds just like everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted August 23, 2010 Author Share Posted August 23, 2010 Chuck, i realize its a typo, but since its in the rules, does it take an act of the BoD to correct or can it be done quickly. if its in writing and listed as the official rule, and someone plays by the written word they should have a right to abide by it, whether its a typo or not. Trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Actually if you read right above that it says, "Multigun Appendix A1 is a brief overview of the rules, not a substitute for the complete rules in the handgun, shotgun and rifle rule books. It also explains the additional restrictions and allowances compared to the HG, R and SG rules." The SG rule book still says 8, it's 8. BTW, it has already been corrected by the BOD, it just apparently hasn't been posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Alright Trapr. We're both smoking something funny. It's clearly posted. I can't get it to copy in the table format but here is the info listed. I think what we were looking at was the Limited Rifle which has no restriction on magazine capacity. I feel like a bit of an idiot for missing that. I knew we corrected it. Division Rule brief Multigun allowances Multigun restrictions Shotgun Limited Shotgun No No Minimum Gauge 20 ga. Action Type Any Compensator/Porting No Optics No Max. number of rounds in magazine 8 Rounds +1 for loaded start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted August 23, 2010 Author Share Posted August 23, 2010 (edited) Chuck, my concern was that it would not be able to be corrected quickly enough, and thus be grounds for a legal arbitration, which I personally would be willing to go thru just to prove the point. If it can in fact be corrected quickly enough?? then there is no cause for concern. Generally, any document with a later date is going to supersede any preceding document that covers the same material, so I would think that the later 2010 provisional rules would supersede the earlier 2009 rules since it addresses the same material, if not then all preceding rules would essentially still be in effect, despite any amendments. I'm no Lawyer but I am willing to read and call rules or opinions out. As for missing the item when reviewing it, hey I've been known to leave ammo at home hundreds of miles away Also someone has gone back and reformatted the entire appendices, So we were not doing illegal substances its been changed, by someone??????????? Trapr Edited August 23, 2010 by bigbrowndog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) It was changed a week or two ago. I'll have to check my email if need be. I noticed that was missing the first time we updated it. I know exactly what I was looking at yesterday when I agreed it was missing, and the format was the same. I screwed up and was looking at the rifle rules. If you saw a different format yesterday, you probably had the old rule set stored in your cache. There is no conspiracy, we just missed it. Edited August 24, 2010 by Chuck Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivas Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Ok, since we are talking about the rules. If I am shooting "Tactical" can I use a Beta Mag or does this throw me into "Open." I could not find anything in the "Multi-Gun" rules that told me I could not use a Beta Mag. The description for "Tatical" says there is not restriction on magazine capacity on the rifle. ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug H. Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 (edited) Ok, since we are talking about the rules. If I am shooting "Tactical" can I use a Beta Mag or does this throw me into "Open." I could not find anything in the "Multi-Gun" rules that told me I could not use a Beta Mag. The description for "Tatical" says there is not restriction on magazine capacity on the rifle. ????? In the past there has been no problem using a Beta mag in Open, Limited or Tactical divisions in USPSA. The new rules state no round limit on any rifle except HM Divisions. Doug Edited August 25, 2010 by Doug H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 There is no capacity limited in Limited, Open or Tactical for the rifle. Beta Mags are legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastshooter03 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think the unlimited shotgun capacity was supposed to be the new rule for Open right...right!!!! It can still be changed....Please...Pretty Please...I want to use my X-Rail Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think the unlimited shotgun capacity was supposed to be the new rule for Open right...right!!!! It can still be changed....Please...Pretty Please...I want to use my X-Rail Nick That is one of the rules I'm hoping to propose, but it definitely won't be in place for the Nationals this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bond Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 I think the unlimited shotgun capacity was supposed to be the new rule for Open right...right!!!! It can still be changed....Please...Pretty Please...I want to use my X-Rail Nick That is one of the rules I'm hoping to propose, but it definitely won't be in place for the Nationals this year. And I will support Chuck on this rule change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35WLN Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 I will support Chuck also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 At at the 3 Gun Nationals in Vegas next month - what will the shotgun loading rules for tactical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastshooter03 Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 I think the unlimited shotgun capacity was supposed to be the new rule for Open right...right!!!! It can still be changed....Please...Pretty Please...I want to use my X-Rail Nick That is one of the rules I'm hoping to propose, but it definitely won't be in place for the Nationals this year. And I will support Chuck on this rule change. I'm glad to see it might be a future possibility. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 At at the 3 Gun Nationals in Vegas next month - what will the shotgun loading rules for tactical? 8+1. You can have 8 in the tube and 1 in the chamber, You can't have 9 in the tube at any time after the buzzer or welcome to Open. Same as USPSA has used for as long as I can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Thanks Chuck.. reading this I thought there was some inadvertant rules change. I just read it wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Ahhh Chuck you boot! I can remeber when USPSA din't really have any rules for 3-gun...it was ...well....3-gun, then someone runied it all with the limited/open thang! (Note: All the above is meerly messing with my amigo Chuck and has nothing to do with the fine rules now established by USPSA...although 9 to start would be niiiiiccceee!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeman711 Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 What will the shotgun rules be for open? 10 rds. in the tube and one in the chamber,or can we use super extended tubes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Ahhh Chuck you boot! I can remeber when USPSA din't really have any rules for 3-gun...it was ...well....3-gun, then someone runied it all with the limited/open thang! (Note: All the above is meerly messing with my amigo Chuck and has nothing to do with the fine rules now established by USPSA...although 9 to start would be niiiiiccceee!) All kidding aside, I don't get it. What do you mean about 9? If it's a loaded chamber start, which it normally is, you do get 9 in the gun to start. Now as far as my memory goes, I can only remember the rules about 3 months back so USPSA has had this rule as long as I can remember I'm just glad we got away from the old SOF rule with 22" barrels tubes could only stick out an inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 What will the shotgun rules be for open? 10 rds. in the tube and one in the chamber,or can we use super extended tubes? Open rules remain unchanged. You can use super long tubes if you want, but can't load any more than 10 into the tube at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 The IPSC standard division rule of 9 at the start, after the beep, it doesn't matter, so you can have a long tube if you wish you only get to start with 9 in the gun (8 rounds for a empty chamber start). I hear ya about remembering rules thats why I have to read them each time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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