rupie Posted July 13, 2010 Author Share Posted July 13, 2010 Ouch, what a way to attract new shooters to a club, with targets like that who needs enemies. BTW, what kind of grease do you guys use, I need to get some of that stuff. Yes we explained to our first time shooter that this is unusually hard so don't think we do this a lot. He borrowed everything he used to shoot that day because he owns a compact carry setup, but the next day he bought the entire production rig. So he is helplessly hooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupie Posted July 13, 2010 Author Share Posted July 13, 2010 Really would have been fun with a revolver. Isn't it too close? At 25 ft, I thought the nearest steel could be shot at is 11 yards. The fault line is to the pepper poppers is 26 feet I misspoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sslav Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Hello: You should have put 2 no shoots on either side Thanks, Eric Any hit on a a plate that went through a no-shoot would require a re-shoot due to range equipment failure(Rule 9.1.5.2). Paper no-shoots around steel is not a good idea. The same goes for any shots that pass through the fence and hit a plate - re-shoot due to range equipment failure(Rule 9.1.6.2). With the mesh fencing it is hard to judge if any of the shots went through the cover. A solid wall in this particular case would make determination of any shots going through the wall a little easier (Though with the sheer number of the shots fired in the general area there will be enough holes in the cover to make adjudication of whether a given shot that hit a plate went through the cover difficult at best). All that aside the stage is not a legal USPSA stage based on rule 1.2.1.2 : “Medium Courses” must not require more than 16 rounds to complete and no more than 3 shooting locations. Course design and construction must not require more than 8 scoring hits from any single location or view, nor allow a competitor to shoot all targets in the course of fire from any single location or view. Rules 9.1.5.2, 9.5.6.2 & 1.2.1.2 are not subject to the level I exemption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 If a solid wall was used that would be really evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Hello: You should have put 2 no shoots on either side Thanks, Eric Any hit on a a plate that went through a no-shoot would require a re-shoot due to range equipment failure(Rule 9.1.5.2). Paper no-shoots around steel is not a good idea. The same goes for any shots that pass through the fence and hit a plate - re-shoot due to range equipment failure(Rule 9.1.6.2). With the mesh fencing it is hard to judge if any of the shots went through the cover. A solid wall in this particular case would make determination of any shots going through the wall a little easier (Though with the sheer number of the shots fired in the general area there will be enough holes in the cover to make adjudication of whether a given shot that hit a plate went through the cover difficult at best). All that aside the stage is not a legal USPSA stage based on rule 1.2.1.2 : “Medium Courses” must not require more than 16 rounds to complete and no more than 3 shooting locations. Course design and construction must not require more than 8 scoring hits from any single location or view, nor allow a competitor to shoot all targets in the course of fire from any single location or view. Rules 9.1.5.2, 9.5.6.2 & 1.2.1.2 are not subject to the level I exemption. If there was a mandatory reload (i didn't notice), it'd be a legal speed shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jar Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Someone else posted the video here: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=109818 As I said in that thread, the start position of the star wasn't consistent, which changed its reaction to the first hit significantly. Seems like that runs afoul of 4.6.1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sslav Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 If there was a mandatory reload (i didn't notice), it'd be a legal speed shoot. Under what specific rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 (edited) If there was a mandatory reload (i didn't notice), it'd be a legal speed shoot. Under what specific rules? 1.2.2.3 “Speed Shoot”-Courses of fire consisting of one continuous string of fire not exceeding 16 rounds shot on one or more arrays of multiple targets from a single location or view. No more than 8 rounds may be required without a mandatory reload and no more than one mandatory reload may be required in the course of fire. Stage may be scored either Comstock or Virginia Count. See Rule 9.2.3.2 Edited July 14, 2010 by spanky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendytww Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Glad you posted this! If we ever get a star in our club, we will HAVE to try this. I think the only change we will make it to have it as part of a field course to make it "legal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sslav Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 1.2.2.3 “Speed Shoot”-Courses of fire consisting of one continuous string of fire not exceeding 16 rounds shot on one or more arrays of multiple targets from a single location or view. No more than 8 rounds may be required without a mandatory reload and no more than one mandatory reload may be required in the course of fire. Stage may be scored either Comstock or Virginia Count. See Rule 9.2.3.2 Huh? Where is that? Did I miss a new rulebook revision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 1.2.2.3 “Speed Shoot”-Courses of fire consisting of one continuous string of fire not exceeding 16 rounds shot on one or more arrays of multiple targets from a single location or view. No more than 8 rounds may be required without a mandatory reload and no more than one mandatory reload may be required in the course of fire. Stage may be scored either Comstock or Virginia Count. See Rule 9.2.3.2 Huh? Where is that? Did I miss a new rulebook revision? Well, kinda sorta. Updates, just no new revision. http://www.uspsa.org/rules/Rule%20Changes%20030110.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sslav Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Well, kinda sorta. Updates, just no new revision. http://www.uspsa.org/rules/Rule%20Changes%20030110.pdf Ah, thank you! Yes with a mandatory reload it could be called a speed shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Of course, I'd use "speed" loosely on that stage. :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38SuperDub Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 I feel sorry for the guy that it was his first match. I shot my first Saturday and if I would have saw that - I have NO IDEA what I would have done.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecichlid Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 What the heck kind of funky monkey snot did you guys have that thing lubed with?? Some sort of freaky mutant 0 weight slide glide? lol The only issue I see aside from the number of shots required from the one shoot area is that the star was not reset to the same location for all the shooters. Joe W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911Prof Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 I have tried to imagine what it would have been like to shoot this if the 'hard' cover had been solid so you could not even anticipate which way the plates were spinning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob D Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 That was just cruel. When the jeopardy music started on the first shooter, I looked down and saw that the video was almost eight minutes long and though, "There's NO WAY that guy has that many mags." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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