Doggorloader Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I hate that my best friend always has to spin the truth to either build himself up or show that he is privy to knowledge that others aren't. It's the kind of stuff that you really can't prove but you know it's crap. The latest is that Saturday he went to one of the largest gun shops in New Jersey where he claims he is an insider with the owner ( he bought one gun there) and a very important person was there from Kimber. During the discussion he supposedly was told things "that no one else knows" like secret stuff cause he is so tight with the owner. That Kimber was purchased by a Chinese gentleman. and That Kimber does absolutely no machining and that all of the frames, slides ect. are made by Smith and Wesson. Now I have two Kimbers and three Smith's so it really doesn't matter to me other than I'd like for once to know he was full of crap ( or maybe have to eat crow) . Is it crap???? Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogmaDog Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Man, that just sounds idiotic. But, I did go looking on the 1911forum, and found these threads: http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread...e+made+by+S%26W http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread...e+made+by+S%26W After reading them, I wonder if even Kimber knows who makes their frames. If S&W does, do THEY know it? Who knows? DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggorloader Posted January 22, 2004 Author Share Posted January 22, 2004 It makes sense that a bigger company like S&W would have the capabilities to make forgings that a smaller company would not. It also would make sense that they would make forgings for other manufacturers to keep their equipment utilized and keep costs down. Anyone know where this Jericho Arms is/was? I'm hoping I'm only going to have to eat 1/2 a crow at worse case. Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I read somewhere... all topics for "Myth Busters"? That Kimber built Wilsons frames... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 i heard kimber make sti and svi frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 I heard a shirt manufacturer back East bought all the patents and makes them, but won't put his name on them in case they don't sell well and ruin his reputation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Forging and casting equipment are expensive and big. So it's not uncommon for companies to have other people make the forgings or castings for them. Caspian has the frame cast by Ruger. S&W does forge the frames for Kimber, it's in one of the NRA magazines. They did a piece on S&W and one of the pictures has a crate of frames with Kimber on the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 I hate that my best friend always has to spin the truth to either build himself up or show that he is privy to knowledge that others aren't. It's the kind of stuff that you really can't prove but you know it's crap. Are you sure that this guy is really your "friend?" JMHO here, but I've known a dozen of these guys over the years, and they don't have friends -- they have bunch of acquaintances that they lie to all the time. I never have to wonder if my best friend is telling me the truth or not. Just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBF Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 [quote=I never have to wonder if my best friend is telling me the truth or not. Just a thought... Eric, Me neither, woofs, growls , and howls, no lies, no BS, he calls them as he sees them. I heard all 1911 frames came from pakistan, forged by hand on coal fired furnaces, by little men wearing fez hats. And if you believe that, I got some load data for you... Travis F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 I heard Kimber made the Mars lander, Smith and Wesson made the rover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiG Lady Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 ...and Glock made the Russian portion of the Space Station......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 ...and Glock made the Russian portion of the Space Station......... HA...the simple part..that works!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm iprod Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Fez's are Morrocan, not Pakistani. But send the load data anyway. TO CLARK . It's amazing how a man from Australia made it big in the US, after naming the new company afetr the town he left. Just as well he didn't live in Dubbo, or Waggawagga. But anyway back to the truth files. I heard that Arnold was going to Bill C for tips on who to get for his next personel assistant, seeing as Arnold already knows where to get good cigars, Bill was the obvious choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharyn Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 That Kimber was purchased by a Chinese gentleman.and That Kimber does absolutely no machining and that all of the frames, slides ect. are made by Smith and Wesson. Anyone know where this Jericho Arms is/was? I don't know about the Chinese gentleman tale, but I doubt it. I can ask if you'd like. Kimber does machine the forgings they receive from Smith and Wesson. Kimber also manufactures all of their own aluminum frames. Jerico Precision, in Yonkers, N.Y. went bankrupt and was bought out by Kimber Manufacturing Inc. Hopefully this article can answer some of your questions: http://www.theindoorrange.com/Kimber/The-U...ate-1911-01.jpg http://www.theindoorrange.com/Kimber/The-U...ate-1911-02.jpg http://www.theindoorrange.com/Kimber/The-U...ate-1911-03.jpg http://www.theindoorrange.com/Kimber/The-U...ate-1911-04.jpg I received this information from the Marketing/IT manager for Kimber. I read somewhere... all topics for "Myth Busters"?That Kimber built Wilsons frames... You might want to take a look at page 92 of the article I posted. Kimber and Wilson Combat are duelling each other with price specific advertising despite the fact that Kimber Manufacturing Co. makes the major components for Wilson's guns. I hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggorloader Posted January 29, 2004 Author Share Posted January 29, 2004 Sniper: Thanks for the info! It made much better reading than snide type humor Sometimes the relationship with a friend goes back so far that (dumping) them is not really an option. I'm not perfect and neither is he. Just a thought. Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianH Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 My info is old, but when I worked at a company in Portland, one of the engineers brought the President of Kimber of Oregon by to see the machine shop, and he told us the story of them moving to the NY area because Jericho purchased the Kimber name and they had a massive, state-o'-the-art gun manufacturing facility there. Jericho doesn't market guns, they just manufacture them (like Kimber, Wilson, and whomever else). This was back in 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiG Lady Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Hi, Sniper......! (insert secret handshake here.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharyn Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Doggorloader, you're welcome. SiG Lady, Hello! >>accepting secret handshake and presenting Wonder Twin ring<< BrianH, the President of Kimber of Oregon, Leslie Edelman or Greg Warne? In late-1996, Leslie Edelman purchased Jerico and changed the name to Kimber Manufacturing Inc., not the other way around. Jerico went bankrupt and no longer exists. By mid-1997, Kimber of Oregon was closed. Greg Warne (the founder of Kimber) was no longer in charge during that time. COMMERCE BUSINESS DAILY ISSUE OF JUNE 7,1996 PSA#1611US Army Industrial Operations Command, Attn: AMSIO-ACS, Rock Island, IL 61299-6000 13 -- TOW MISSILE, M220 PRACTICE WHD. POC Contact the Contract Specialist: Diane Eichorn (309)782-6223, Contracting Officer: Gary Meyer (309)782-4942 CNT DAAA0996C0034 AMT $276,115 DTD 060396 TO JP Mfg. Corp., DBA Jerico Precision Mfg. Co., 1 Lawton St., Yonkers, NY. 1705 (0157) Note the date as well as the address of JP Mfg. Corp. edited to add: Maybe this article will help validate what I've said: http://www.theindoorrange.com/Kimber/Shoot...June97-Movi.jpg I don't mean to step on anyone's toes here and I apologize if it appears that way. When I reread this, I thought I may have come off a little strong. I'm just trying to help state the facts and provide as much proof as possible via the internet to validate my statements. Hopefully this will clarify some issues and less crow will be eaten. ~me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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