Dr_Z

yet nothing in IDPA Rule book specifically address the action of "pulling the trigger" after LAMR before the beep. Sounds like it depends on the context of the action. 1. pulling trigger while violating muzzle safety rule = DQ 2. pulling trigger while acquiring sight picture on targets = PE in the above scenarios, the action of pulling trigger has no relevance to the consequences, pulling trigger or not, the consequences are the same given the contexts. 3. pulling trigger to lower the hammer on a DA/SA gun with DA start = no penalty, totally allowed 4. pulling trigger while safely pointing the gun at the ground (the specific action in question) = ?

Yeah most of RO who I asked referred to this piece of rule. Not the finger cal, I see no grounds for DQ. Unless repeated offense despite warning, i.e. unsportsmanlike conduct

I assume that decocking a DA gun before start by pulling the trigger is exempted from trigger infringement ? I recall that I have never been given a PE or finger warning for doing that.

Thats too bad. I mean if its a misuse of rule, at lease I know I would be safe next time I do this. otherwise, how do I decock my da gun without a decocker.

Question. One of my friend told me that someone got DQed in this club match for pulling trigger (assuming testing DA trigger pull?) after the "load and make ready" command. Assuming that dude did not violate any muzzle safety rule, what else in the rule book could result in DQ in this case? Or its a misjudgment ?

4.21 is the average of 10 charges Since my scale only has .1 gr resolution and I understand that there is some measurable variations between charges. Therefore I always use 10 charge average.

Recently I started doing powder metering check before every loading session. I am currently using Alliant Sport Pistol. I have a dedicated case to measure power charge, its already sized, primed, and expended. I use the same case every time for metering check. I will dump the first two charges and collect the next 10 charges for averaged per drop quantity. My target is 4.21 gr. I found that I often need to adjust the powder bar nut to "re-zero" the charge quantity depending on how much it has been operated since the last adjustment, as if the metering drifts overtime. The difference can be up to 0.05 gr. I also found some correlation between the level of powder reserve and charge quantity. As the reserve gets lower, the charge gradually increases. The difference can be +0.02 gr between full reserve and half reserve. Anyone else share the same observation? any ways to improve the drop consistency?

I have one el prez classifier on record at 87%. I shot it left to right both time. I am right-handed but feel more comfortable transitioning from left to right. During my dry and live practice, I found little meaningful difference shooting in either order.

DA/SA CZ Rami. Hammer down, thumb on the hammer when holstering, almost no chance for AD. DA allows me to really assess the target, abort if necessary. Can be as fast as SA when threat is imminent. The downside is that that user needs to be good with that DA pull to be effective.

This, my friend, is what I believe the REAL reason production and other low cap divisions are suffering greatly reduced participation. Bad / low-effort stage designs that only consider high cap divisions. Forced standing reload, forced reloads within in 1/2 steps, 11 round target arrays (with in close distances) with steels. These kinda of stages are getting increasingly common as large capacity divisions became more popular. This, sucks the fun out of the game for low cap divisions for potential newcomers. Everthing is high-risk, with minimum or no rewards. Few new shooters would dare to take up that kinda of challenge while they have the option to do one or no reload the entire stage and finish the stage without drama. e.g., no need to separate visible target arrays thus less likely to forget targets, less reloading, less dropped mag, no shooting empty and conduct embarrassing standing reload) I started with and still really like production. I am planning on going back to it once (if ever) I attain GM class in Limited. However, the division as of now is definitely not a new shooter friendly division as some would think, considering the capacity limitation as well as the suck in stage design trend. Its now a Hard-Core division. Lastly, regarding your comment about low cap participation in and out of restricted states. I think the trend in stage design actually could have made some impact on your perception. Within restricted states, people are expected to shoot low cap in all divisions, hence the stages are designed with low cap flow in mind. In other states, its not the case. Here in Michigan, its less and less likely to see well thought stage designs that offer fair challenge and non-BS options to low cap, iron sight shooters. I believe it would be similar in other non-restricted states. Based on this, your experience with low cap shooting might not apply to shooters in all states, at least not at a local match level.

Clearly we have very different views regarding this topic. UnFortunately neither of us have a say in the final decision. For me, I'll wait to see what the org has for us in the end and roll with it if I find it attractive. Good talk.

You need to look into the origin and intent. CO is an extention of the production division. CO does not allow major because production doesn't allow major. Simple as that. People move from limited or open to CO is NOT an effect of people hating major. There are no causal relation between them. People do not hate major pf, they don't love it either. It's available as an choice, some take it some don't, majority will given the chance.

My bad typo, I meant major changes for a few divisions

I think you misinterpreted what you see there. CO is popular because of low cost,equipment availability, large capacity and the user-friendliness of a reddot. Nothing to do with major or minor. If CO allows major, I can almost guarantee you the majority will be shooting major in CO just for that perceived competitive advantage.

Carry optics doesn't need fix. The reason for no sao is clear and intentional. Prod doesn't allow sao therefore by extension co doesn't allow them either. If you allow sao in co then you must allow it in Prod. To allow sao in both, SS needs to go. Take a holistic view, you can't just jam sao in CO and call it good. If a overall revamp of the division is what you wanted then go push that instead

I hope so. To me that's the most logical path forward. My real wish however, is fixing existing division oddities before we introduce new ones. Example: unify prod and co equipment rules (other than the optic part), and unify open and limited magazine rules. This is a totally different topic, but I think it needs to be addressed before they start implementing limited optics

And what data do you have to backup your clam that NOBODY wants to shoot major?

Adding a new division is what I'm talking about. I strongly leave CO alone. My principal is that if you cannot fundamentally improve a division (Adding sao does not qualify that in my book) then for God's sake, let's have some stability.

I am so confused about those seemingly out of nowhere, baseless suggestions, "allow minor use dot and force major to stay with iron" what kind of suggestion is this? Tired of this endless discussion. How about sticking with the current limited rule and allowing slide mount optics? Boom fixed it for you. If you want a new division to shoot 2011 with slide mounted optics, this makes perfect sense and so simple to implement. Just like the original idea for uspsa carry optics and the current PO in IPSC, the extension of an existing division (prod) to accommodate a different sighting system shooters so desperately want. The end of drama.

I know what OP was talking about and agree with him mostly. Some "challenges" I have encountered this year throughout the local and major match I shot were more of tests for luck instead of skills. For example, tuxedo swinger at distances beyond 10 yards without apex exposure, 20+ yard mini popper with 2/3 area exposed from behind a barrel at weakside hard lean, 50-yard mini popper array, 20 yards+ IPSC NS stacks, ~30-yard IPSC NS stack bobber, on an on. I don't know about you guys, but I was in "survival mode" when I engaged all those ones mentioned above. And I do agree with some of the notions above, that some of these might be due to the rise of optic divisions, some PCC but mostly CO. I have personally heard from MDs, multiple times, things like " we don't want to make things too easy for dot shooters", little did they know while they try to screw dot shooters (a little over 50% of the match population usually), they already screwed iron shooters over 10x more. When there are zero rewards for taking risks, the stage becomes a contest for "who turtles the hardest".

What's wrong with shortening the OAL to say about 1.10

I always carry a portable fan with me in the summer. Blow it at the gun when I reload/ pasting targets. Works like charm

This sir. Cannot said better myself. I think people use Nils as an example and try to, for some reason, justify the viability of minor pf in limited division, are either kinda confused or have some sort of agenda. Sure, for those who on the top, they are so accurate and fast major probably doesn't bring much measurable difference. On the opposite end, major or minor won't stop shooters hitting ns, miss shots or forgetting where the targets are. The pack in the middle are the ones who benefited most from major score advantage. Sure, I can think of some occasions when I would rather shoot minor to get that couple of extra rounds, but those instances are few and far apart.

Compete with cz shadow2 and Atlas titan. Carry cz 2075 Rami