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Before I make my initial thoughts on this I wonder what the percentages would look like taken from the 2023 WSSC?

@jrdoran reminded me that we get impacted 2 ways in January 2024. 1. New Peak Times and, 2. Calendar year 2021 times will be dropped. Only times from current year (2024) and the previous 2 years (2022, 2033) will count for classifications. we were wondering to ourselves how many members would be aware of this?

Duh….i saw it in the original post. I’m a full count off today. lower percentage of GM’s in ISR probably is due to not that many serious revolver shooters dedicated enough to reach GM. we get a few but it seems to be new guys or some who just are trying something new out. its an art form in my opinion to know how to stage revolver trigger.

@GKB what is the total number of ISR shooters?

Now you’re just showing off This is awesome!

The similarities between the three charts would appear to support a review of the assigned percentages by class. Even though the percentages to earn for each class are the same between USPSA and SCSA, the pathway’s to earn the higher levels are radically different between the two sports relative to classifiers. I’m still thinking about this.

I’ve often said that lowering peak times disproportionately impacts the lower classes. we should remember that the percentages used for each classification was copied from USPSA….(I think this is correct) Curious for comments on this. Anyone see what I’m seeing in the pie charts?

Hope you get well before Thanksgiving.

I was going to ask you if you could do this….and bam….here it is before I asked. Thanks. Interesting M and .95% stats. Perhaps instead of tweaking peak times the division percentages should be looked at?

No RO wants to DQ a shooter. All good RO’s put safety first, combined with gun handling rules. You meet that, you’re fine. It’s not my place to tell a shooter what gear to have….as long as it is safe and meets the rules. For me personally, I prefer a folding stock carbine to be unfolded inside a case or secured in a cart…flagged. It just removes all the other safety issues. A cheap and easy thing to consider.

I’ve RO’d numerous types of guns. My approach is simple. At the make ready command, the muzzle will be pointed down range; pistol or carbine. If up range, DQ. If the carbine doesn’t have a flag, I’ll caution the shooter and make sure it is flagged after the hammer down and flag command. If it comes out unflagged on another stage, DQ. If a shooter can’t control the muzzle while unfolding the stock then get a case or cart to remove the risk of DQ. Keep it simple….and safe…and have fun. It’s really not that complicated.

Based on the November 2023 USPSA magazine LO is gaining popularity and here to stay for USPSA matches. Article indicated majority shooting LO guns. @ZackJones you stated previously that it was your decision not to add provisionally in SCSA at the time. Have you re-thought this and could it be added at any time?

@jrdoran this video is exactly like the outlaw matches we shot. Popper going down is the stop plate. I built the majority of the knock off plates and the spike bases. no paint. They have to be knocked off to count. some bays were all poppers with designated stop.

@shred did you ever shoot or see SGT SC matches?

Several years ago i shot a match with a single bonus shotgun stage. Man on man style with 5 poppers each side. Elimination style match. It was fun but never seemed to get enough shooters.

When I started the Top 20 topic I had a few thoughts regarding what I, as a member, would like to see from USPSA org: 1. Expand weekly Top 20 classifications to 100. 2. Show actual percentages for GM class. 3. Show my numeric ranking against all those shooting within my divisions. Example 250/2500. What @jrdoran has done far exceeded my thinking at the time. As a tech noob, I can’t imagine the skill level he has to do this….and the time he spent. It has been super interesting to me looking my personal ranking….and my shooting buddies too. On a broader scale. In the November USPSA magazine Org discusses the high percentage of non-members that are shooting matches. What are the incentives to join? I believe, IMO, that providing all members with data like @jrdoran put together is important. I’m older, a bit slower, but I’m still mentally competitive. I would love being able to “compete” against my shooting friends with “ranking stats”. Hey, you beat me this week, but I’m still 5 positions above you. Wouldn’t everyone want this info?

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I’ve re-read each post before commenting again. Tier 1 weekly/monthly matches. 1. I have laid out and marked all 8 stages. Several times. 300ft tape….30ft tapes. Whiskers first. After IDPA and USPSA tore up whiskers, I cut 4” sq washer plates and drove them in with long 3/8” dia spikes and put a locator whisker next to each plate. But, I can say that with wind moving tapes and putting weights on tapes plus pulling lateral dimensions with steel tape, they are not +/- 2”. But for regular weekly T1 matches, the slight variations were not a factor in scores. 2. Now for terrain. Most, if not all, ranges are NOT flat. Even with shovels and shims, the vertical positions of the plates are not +/- 2” from ground marker. Do these variations matter? IMO no. Especially given about 1 hour for volunteers to get set up before the match. 3. Variations that do matter IMO. 12” plate instead of 10” plate…vice versa. 3 ft shooting boxes on OL stage and vice versa. Sticks leaning over that are obviously too much. Shooting stage strings out of order….OL and Showdown. Targets in the wrong place…..(ft/yds) Accelerator back right gong for example of center line. Walk the stages before the match…I do. If you notice something, let the MD know before the match….but off to the side. 4. Painting. Each shooter has the right to call for painting….or not. Some matches have good moving and sounding plates. Some don’t. It’s your call. After a few matches they will know you want paint. 5. No one that I know of around here uses lasers at weekly T1 matches where they set up just prior to the match so variations are the norm and have little impact to scoring….IMO.

@zzt @Dr. Phil @Gregg K @RickTwe sort of drifted a bit from the initial post….sort of. If you live in a place where there are other match options, then you can stop shooting a non-compliant match and find a better match. if you don’t have this option due to distance, weather, etc, then I suppose you either shoot the n-c match and enjoy just shooting or stay at home. Not ideal, but I personally would rather shoot when I could than sit at home. Tuff choices. Ps….I’m in South Texas so it hard to relate to snow plows.

How could USPSA dictate to a club which type matches to run?

What @Gregg Kand I found is when shooters from those type of loose matches shoot one of our matches, they don’t seem to do very well. I would not want to be GM on Showdown based on shooting 5 strings anywhere I wanted to. Hopefully @Dr. Philcan find another match.

Peak Times are based on WSSC and perhaps some larger Area matches. The only way we know to correct or change an MD who doesn’t care is not to go to the match. if a person doesn’t have the option of another match, I suppose a sloppy MD could be reported to DNROI if complaints or observations are ignored.

And yes, scores will be submitted for T1 matches.

Few ranges have the luxury of permanent stages set up with laser. Much more common are the local T1 matches that are set up by volunteers on range bays that are not level. Whiskers help volunteers to get the stages set up in hour or so before hammer down. Some matches use steel posts or wood. Frankly with the cost of wood, some sticks may be a bit shot up. BUT, we usually have one or two people follow behind the set up crew to paint and do final adjustments to the stage. Shifting stands, checking alignment and if necessary, tossing a board. If wood posts, height can be adjusted as well. Targets get moved sometimes by impact. Your stage RO can correct this before the stage is shot. Painting…..as an RO, when I say the range is safe I call out for painters….and will get loud if I don’t see people hustling to paint. Paint has gone up too, so educating people how to paint can be necessary. T1’s aren’t perfect, but with good volunteers it can be close. I would recommend you volunteer to help set up. Do the initial painting and help finalize adjustments if you can’t lift. I’m sure the RO would appreciate the help…and probably will discount your match fee. good luck

I got the excel format. Appreciate you sharing this.