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From the ICORE facbook page I read today. Looks like Limited 6 is in and 6-Shot Neutrality is out. It'll be interesting to see how this will affect stage designs. https://www.facebook.com/ICOREshooting/ NEWSY ITEMS GOING OUT SOON TO ALL MEMBERS..... RULES DIRECTOR: Michael Williams was appointed to serve the remainder of this term ending June 30, 2016. (Welcome Mike. Miss you Chris.) NOMINATIONS FOR 2016 ELECTION: Members will be able to nominate via several ways, including online, e-mail, or snail mail. RULE CHANGES: Mike Williams came just in time to finish up what Chris Comer had started months ago. After a never-ending discussion and a review of the member survey on the topic, a majority of the Board voted on October 12, 2015, to adopt a fourth Division for Limited 6, and also to eliminate the rule 4.1 requirement that "The stage layout must be 6 round neutral." Rule book edits are being prepared and will be released in time for the effective date of January 1, 2016. Please contact Mike via e-mail (rules@icore.org) if you have questions on the changes. NEW CLUBS: Anyone interested in starting a new club but don't think you have enough shooters to do so, feel free to ask via e-mail (competition@icore.org). Stats and Comp are working together to make it easy.

I keep a minimum floor of 100,000 Federal primers on hand at all times. My LGS is able to get them frequently and at a good price. It works out about a wash vs. buying them from PV when they had them in stock. The plan is to continue to buy them and stay above my floor (about 20,000) and start to raise my floor from there. I wanted to go ahead and do the work while I work through the last GM200s that I have, but it seems better to wait and shoot through those and finish the work after and just stick with the GM100s after that.

Welcome to the forums from Northern Louisville (SO IN).

I have no problem finding the Federals now, it was back when they couldn't be found that I bought the magnums (GM200s) and bought a lot when I did. I am working my way through them and when they're gone, I won't buy them again. But consistently finding them has/is the issue (GM100s). I plan to buy a lot of them in bulk and hopefully not have to worry about it . But Murphy's law dictates that when I start to get below where I want to be, I won't be able to find them again for X period of time. Hence the reason that I want to keep it able to ignite other primers reliably. The cost standpoint, its not a big deal to pay for the GM100s over anything else, it was finding them that caused me to purchase the others. The low price on the CCI SP magnums was only a bonus because the shop is trying to move them out. Perhaps I'll wait and shoot through what I have left before tuning the gun more, or just use them in another gun.

It doesn't come cut from the factory. At least none of the ones I have seen. At one time Smith supposedly shipped the guns with a certificate to have the cylinder cut for moon clips. I received no such certificate, so I sent mine to TK. And you are right it does make a nice all purpose revo; you can still shoot without the clips, or shoot with them. I have another 686 4'' (std) coming, and I thought about leaving it alone, then my brain starting working again and thought better of it.

I know what a lot of guys have done in order to get lighter trigger pulls out of their revolvers, but this tends to lead to having reliability issues (doesn't go bang) without using Federal primers and seating them to a very specific depth. My question is, how far can you take it, but it still work with most available primers (CCI, Federal primarily)? The action on my SSR is smooth, but not exactly light (probably 8-9lbs). It also has no issues with Fed, CCI, or magnum primers. I want to know how much lighter I can make it but still be able to get reilable ignition using the same primers. In case anybody asks, I am not loading magnums in this gun, I am going to use this gun for competition only. The reason I use the magnum primers is when GM100s or Federal 100s or CCI SPP were unavilable for a while I bought a lot of GM200s (small pistol mag match) and I want to get through them. I also have a lot of CCI small pistol mag available near me at very low prices. I have reduced powder charges to get PF for my loads. Currently it has all factory parts (hammer, sear, springs), with an Apex hammer/sear that needs to be installed on it when I can get to it. I just need to get an idea of where to aim with the trigger pull to maintain reliable ignition with those primers.

That's because we know we'll have to buy more guns... they can't all stay perfectly tuned all the time. And when we can't find one of the very limited production PC guns for 6 months, we know we are going to have to pay through the nose for it when somebody posts one on gunbroker.

When is it typically announced when/where the next IRC will be held? I am sure everybody is hearing this or that, I just wondered when we might see something concrete about a date and location.

For the next question. Does anybody know how to set up such a stage in Practiscore? I see fixed time options, but you don't input the fixed amount of time anywhere. I'm trying to get into the 21st century with scoring, its just not always cooperative.

The previous MD to me did a couple par time stages in the past. I have always thought they looked fun, but had never shot one and wanted to make sure I understood it well enough to design one. I always aim to challenge shooters at whatever level they are on while make it fun enough that they want to shoot it again. With the par stage I am planning to use static or easy to reset steel (plate rack or poppers/colt speeds). I know par times can mess with people a lot of times, getting hung up in one spot (especially newer shooters) and then they get frustrated. I wasn't sure if the bonuses would help or hurt in those instances. Either way they are bound to encounter something like it at some point and why shouldn't I be the one to piss them off first? ;-) Also, I'm going to measure and make sure we have he space, I want to do the dreaded Near and Far Standard. I've never shot it, I want to feel the pain and anguish others have mentioned that comes from this stage. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So I am thinking for our next match at Silver Creek I wanted to do a par time steel course. As a general rule, do you usually allow for 1 second for each target placed? That is what I could gather from most par time stages I have seen. It also seemed as though shooting certain sets of targets clean (I.E. plate rack, star, all black/red/orange) gets you a time bonus such as -3 or -5 secs. I am just trying to figure out timing as far as how much time should be allowed per target out there and what if any bonuses should be applied.

I would start ordering extra Ti cylinders if Smith will let them go. I remember when they were going to stop using Ti cylinders on the 327/627s, the owner here of the shop I work for order a couple cases of them. He put them on all his guns, and a bunch of employees bought some to put on their guns also. Now you can't find the 627 ti cylinders anywhere. I tried finding a 386 cylinder for my SSR at one time, nowhere to be found. Any reason you prefer the Ti cylinders over the steel ones? Just curious.

The growing problem with all of shooting sports and it is going to get worse, is that the sponsors only have X number of dollars to throw for matches every year (in terms of prizes). The number of matches is growing, the participation for the most part is growing. They are going to send their $$$ to where they feel they will get the most coverage/ attention. The whole firearms industry doesn't have nearly the cash that they had in 2012 & 2013 when the maddness was going on. Therefore they are going to be more selective about where they send sponsorships. MDs are going to have to get more creative when it comes to getting sponsors or building prize tables. Perhaps the big guys can't give you as much as they did the past 3-4 years, what about you local business (LGS) and such. Or look at using match fees to buy more prizes for the tables. At non-profit or not-for profit club should be giving this more consideration especially (cover your expenses, get the club some publicity, use some of the money for range improvements, use the rest for prizes). For profit ranges/clubs, that will be harder to do, they'll want more of the pie and I don't blame them, so use what you can to buy more prizes. In terms of place draw vs random draw. I would say give cash prizes to the top finishers for a division (1,2,3) and random draw the rest of the prize table. I'd be more apt to come out and shoot for a cash prize if I were a top level competitor, and at my current level, if I have a chance to pull a good prize off the table, sweet. Another way you could do prize table stuff is give everybody a ticket and they drop their ticket into a bucket for the prize they want to win. Sure you have a better chance to win the 10/22 because more people want to win the (___fil in blank with high dollar item), but you can select what basket you want your egg to be in. Like I said, the amount of $$$ that can be given out is getting thinner, we are going to have to start using more match fees to build the prize tables and get smarter about how to get the attention of the shooters to make them want to come to your match.

Keep in mind, the compensator is removable and it comes with a small flat plate that can go in place of the compensator so you don't have to run it as an open gun (usually in any competitive format, you can't use comps or you have to shoot open division). Other observation about the V-Comp vs PC627 is that the V-Comp has a dovetailed front sight where the PC627 has a interchangeable front sight system (spring pin system), which makes sight changes easier, but you'll rarely do it once you get the sight you want installed (unless you break one). The price difference is also a factor, usually you can pick up a PC627 for about $150-$300 less than a V-Comp. That extra $$$ can fetch you a fair amount of other gear (moonclips, holders, belt, holster). This may not be a deciding factor, but it's always something to look at. Other than that, the V-Comp with the plate is still heavier than the PC627, which some people prefer to have the heavier gun. Both are great guns, I personally like the V-Comp's two-tone look and the barrel profile looks different, that just cosmetic preference though.

Kind of Hence the other reason I have stay away from the 929. All the reports of issues people are having with them make me hesitant.

I've been considering picking up an 8-shooter as well to start running in USPSA and ICORE (assuming Limited 6 division doesn't come about). My thoughts were to go 627 (especially a SS v-comp if I could find one for a decent price) just because of the heavier gun, but I've shot numerous 327s and running short colts in them is nice. I haven't even considered the 929 because just like Alec said the LC and SC are available and make loading just as easy as 9mm. The other reason, is that all my other guns can run the same ammo that I would load for it. If I were loading for a 929, that would be the only gun that that brass would see. I personally see more versatility of the 327 or 627 over the 929.

A 686+ that is also cut for moon clips would be good for ICORE. Since ICORE is designed to be six shot neutral, you could shoot limited division with it, and your spare round could be used for make up shots. Either 6 or 7 shot moonclipped gun would be at a disadvantage in USPSA unless you were shooting major PF (loading 357 mag). IDPA if you shoot any moonclipped gun you have to shoot major PF (again reloading 357 mag). It really depends on what games you want to play. You can shoot a moonclipped 6 or 7 shot revo in USPSA in minor PF, you're just going to be shooting against all the 8 shot guys out there.

We had a good match to start off with. Lots of fun, fair number of shooters turned out to shoot it, with many threatening to return. Everybody said that the stages were challenging and fun to shoot and that they wouldn't mind shooting them over again if given the chance. I'm going to share a video of one of the guys that was new to shooting with us of one of the field courses I designed. He said he would gladly shoot over again. The idea was that you had to engage all the blue plates before engaging any orange plates. (I had everything numbered on the back so that each plate corresponded to a particular setting so that it always balanced and every shooter got the same exact presentation.) https://youtu.be/PVKna-br3i0

i never gave this much thought other than assuming logistics of fresh was to overwhelming but I would GLADLY play another 6 bucks on the entry fee if I got 6 new targets for standards.... That shouldn't be too much of an issue. Just have extra sticks, maybe a half dozen shooters worth, already stapled on sticks, pull the sticks and targets out, take them off to side for scoring, new sticks with targets go in for the next shooter. After paper is scored, strip the sticks, staple new ones on, put them back into rotation. Mark the sticks so you know the height will be right for each target when placed. It might actually run the stage faster/ smoother.

Definitely watch Matt Griffin, he has a couple youtube videos showing his reloads. Even JM has said that Matt's relaods are some of the fastest out there. Speaking of, I haven't seen or heard much from Matt in a while, has he stopped shooting revolver? He used to shoot some of the local matches around here, it was phenomenal to watch somebody as talented as him shooting.

Regardless of where it is next year, I would like to try and make it. However, in the interest of more attendence from other states, I am willing to bet if it were on the east coast, there would be more shooters turn out from the east coast; if it were in the central states, there would be more shooters from the central part of the US attend. I would love to attend the IRC every year, but if it stays out west, it won't be something I could do yearly. I hope that consideration is given to hold it where more shooters have an opportunity to attend it from other parts of the US.

Hey everybody who came out to shoot, the scores are done and posted on the Silver Creek website. I want to thank everybody who came out and shot, it was a good first match, fewer shooters than I was threatened with, but not bad for a rookie MDs first match. I am going to link the scores here. http://silvercreekcc.org/files/2015/09/ICORE-SCORES-9_27_15.pdf

Scoring is finished for the first match, I am going to get it posted to the silver creek website and post the link here. I want to say thanks to all who helped get the match ready and thanks to all the shooters who came out to shoot with us. It makes a rookie MD feel good when more people come out to shoot than just the friends he roped into helping him.

Just a reminder to everbody, the match is this Sunday for all who are coming out. Registration starts at 9am and shooting to start at 10am. Last minute setup will be at 8am, hopefully everything will be setup Sat night before the match.

Yeah, that's why he's the BOSSHOSS!! I know he's been shooting the wheelies since before I started shooting them. Back on point. I looked for a long time to try and find a Ti cylinder for my 686, and after talking to some of the other guys, they all said that they didn't think it was worth switching to if I wasn't having any issues out of my SS one. I like the way the look, but I am thinking about just finding a blued one to offset the color between the frame and cylinder. I like the look of the cylinder being a different color, it would be a cosmetic thing only. (My SS one gets caked in carbon anyway, it usually looks like a 2-tone gun most of the time).