Waltermitty

What is the unit of weight measurement?

Short and sweet? OK. Just one more and then I'll quit. It's not the size of the bullet that makes the difference, because, as you observe, the hole is cut to match the bullet. The difference is the amount of material between the holes in the cylinders. Since the cylinders themselves are the same size, the hole-you-must-hit to metal-you-must-miss ratio is more heavily weighted in your favor. Said another way, the metal between the holes is so much thinner it makes the task of balancing a full moon of bullets on the face of the cylinder quite difficult. If you're running and bouncing the gun at the same time, it's nearly impossible. If the .40 had been built on a "K" or "L" frame, it would be a different story. Howsat for figuring? Ok, now I'll put my happy "positive" hat on...WOW dude, you sure are lucky to find such a great deal on that 610! Why did you even ask if you should get it?!?!?! You should buy it right away.

If your price is correct, the .40 moon clips are twice as much, 625 45 ACP moons are $25.00 per 100 from Ranch products delivered. Those of us that shoot revo quite alot probably don't feel comfortable with less than a couple hundred moons, since it is not practical to recycle moons and see if somebody stepped on one; particularly during a big match. You may be able to buy/find once fired brass cheaper, but it's not going to make for very consistent fast reloads, particularly if they've been through a Glock or similar. Some brands of brass in mixed lots are so tight in the moons there will be no end to the grief. If you buy quality brass that will work well, like Starline, 45ACP is $96.20 per thousand while .40 S&W is $105.30 (per my handy Blue Press that's 9.5% higher) and I've never had a hard time finding either. Other items like replacement cylinders (with neat features like flutes and exotic materials like Ti) are available from more sources with more options. And since the 610 has been discontunued, how long will new parts be available? While generally, many parts that will work with 625 in 45 will work with a 610, some important components won't. To top it off, it can be hard to find a round nosed bullet in .40, while the RN bullet is a staple of the 45ACP from many, many competing sources. Price difference for a *new* gun and ongoing costs aside, the real issue, as you note, comes up every reload. Sure, you can nail a good reload with a .40, (all of us nail good reloads) but they're not "good" all that often, even in the right hands. This is where you think about your decision to buy the 610 over the 625 most often. There are many reasons why the top gunners in the sport shoot a 45 revolver instead of a 10mm. There are also many reasons why you would buy a 610; because you want it is chief among them. However, I would stand you up against any revo shooter in your class shooting a 625 in 45 ACP and let you both race for ~100 rounds. Anybody that knows much about it knows who to put their money on. So again, if you want a 610, get it. If you have other considerations, like you've decided you will not reload the 45's and screw with the LP primers, well there you have it. But if you have any inkling that you're going to be serious about it, you'll wish you had a 625 in 45ACP. We haven't even touched on the physics of the ultra-light trigger pull. If you'd like to talk about Limited division, I'll switch sides.

I like the 610 and if you want one you should get it. That's a good price if it is in good shape. HOWEVER, if IPSC/IDPA competition is your goal, you will not be as competetive with a 610 and it will cost you more to play when it comes time to buy moon clips and doo-dads related to the caliber. My last 625 (about October last year) cost $600.00 new. My wife bought it so I'll reserve comments on whether the price was fully negotiated or not. $75.00 more for a brand-new 625 in the barrel length of your choice may sound pricey, until you buy your first 100 moon clips and start doing reloads on the clock. Of course, you may want it for some oher reason....

You've done a good job Mike. It's a shame that all kids can't draw an outstanding Father like you. Quite frankly, I don't think the equipment choices you made make a nickle's worth of difference. It's everything else you did that matters most. No matter what the future holds, Sam is one kid that has had one of the best starts a youngster can get; even if he lays his guns down tomorrow and never picks one up again. A Man achieves immortality in only a limited number of ways. Your influence will be felt far beyond this game and for generations to come. Surely, you have led us all by your example.

I reeeeeeally like the CR Speed Holster. It's simple, tough, and is very adjustable to your individual preferences. I think it works best with the CR belt. http://shootersconnection.com/store/produc...2a54c0fbd29d560

I am duly embarrassed by my lack of fortitude and am impressed by those hardy souls that made the trip. But when I thought about that 50 mile drive and projected high of 25F, I said, NAAAAAAAH!

The roads are slick and the temperature is 16 with today's high projected in the 20's. Guess I'll wimp out and do some maintenance and reloading today.

I would have said "Freestyle" was a philosophical foundational element while judgements on the "Spirit of the Rules" is strictly an Arbitration committee function per 11.1.9 of the current rule book. What's the difference between: 1) A Philosopher 2) A Spirit Talker 3) A Philosopher doing a Vulcan Mind-Meld with a Spirit Talker 4) $100.00 cash Answer: The cash gets you a hearing with the arb committee at most major matches. I crack me up

I'll bring 50 and practice predatory pricing on those that don't follow this thread. Did you intend to double-tap that message? Maybe I should bring extra for you!

Just be sure to call the Spirit Talker over to resolve the conflicts.

The rules must be applied as written. We have a process to resolve problems and, if necessary, update or change the rules. To the extent that there is conflict, it is a reflection of our society, not of the quality of the rulebook or the wisdom of the authors. As has been widely stated, no human creation can infallibly anticipate all future occurances and conditions that may arise a priori. Comparing the Rule of Law to the Rules of The Game, while similar, is not terribly useful to The Game. In The Game we create an artificial reality to make credible competition possible. Given the suspension of reality, one must follow the rules as written to stay in the game.

The answer to how much you will miss the 8th round will be known by how often you miss the 6th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st, etc., shot. If you don't miss, you won't miss it. At least not in ICORE when shots are unlimited.

I've never been able to get down into decent "minor" ranges with the 230 grain bullet. As two or three others have suggested, I have had good luck with the Berry's 185 RNHB and a real short COL. I can dial in a 129 pf at 4.6 grains of VV N310, then dial up about 170 with 6.0 It's very soft shooting at the lower end and very flat flying at major for those 50 yd + shots. Although if I'm going to shoot much major, I'll swith back to a 230 grain bullet to tame some of the snappiness of major 185's. Please note!! 4.6 is MAXIMUM load with a conventionally based bullet at 185 grains. According to the reload manual from VV this should make MAJOR with ease. It doesn't because of the effect of the shape of the bullet base on case volume. Start low, check your velocities and watch for pressure signs.

This may be the case, but Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) DID ask at a House committee hearing if the rover going to Mars would be landing anywhere near where the astronauts footprints were . . . saw that one on CSPAN. Roll that beautiful bean footage.....

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So running Dunlopped is considered gaming?

Thanks for the feedback and commentary. I think for my competition guns these parts will be tagged and stored along with the trigger lock parts and keys. Randy, after working inside these guns for just a short time I can see why you chose to design and build a hammer for yourself. What a mess it is to sort out!

I won't be able to get off for setup. But I'll have all the thermal underwear I own on my body come Saturday morning! Pfffft! 70 F on Wednesday and low 30's on Saturday. Our Karma is definately out of phase. I wonder if the new Arcadia Wal-Mart Supercenter disrupted our Feng Shui balance at the range aligning our mojo filter to the wrong day. Oh well, it is an outdoor sport...

This is a funny read, but it isn't real... http://www.snopes.com/travel/trap/congress.asp

Bump for the Feb match. You gonna be there KurtA?

Yes they do, but not very many, so you should probably make contact early. http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/contact.htm

I'll be there or I'll be square.... The Area III championship is on the same party spot the following month isn't it? I just need to get my toys squared away so I can focus on getting my Chi on.

I should have been more clear that I'm talking about the Smith & Wesson 625 with this question, not any other brands.

I think I have traced a roughness and inconsistency in my trigger return to the Hammer Block dongle thingy on my high-mileage gun. I was wondering what the popular consensus was on this part and whether it's worth the trouble (socially or otherwise) to make it work better. The only use I can see for this poorly made sheetmetal doo-dad is to keep a broken hammer from falling on the firing pin, since the design of the hammer and the rebound slide assembly holds the hammer off the firing pin unless the trigger is pulled. Am I missing any important function with this part? Or is it safe to store it with my inflatable dartboard and submarine screen doors?