SubOrbital

If you want to be the one to buy me a $400 barrel for gun games where 90% of shots are within 50 yards, then sure.

Kind of eye opening for me, best I can do is right at 0.20 (senior now & never accused of being quick) which is not any different from my split time for alphas at an up close target (5 yard Bill drill for example). I always assumed that I was waiting on a sight picture instead of pulling the trigger as fast as I could. Damn, I feel slow. Half your age and I think the best splits I've ever pulled just shooting into a berm are ~.18ish.

I noticed the other day that CGW discontinued working on these pistols.

Stretch16 IMO is unnecessarily heavy for gun games, nor do I feel the cost is worth it for the gains. A lighter profile is my preference. I'm a mediocre to average shooter, so this advice is worth what you paid for it.

True I think 3gun nations type courses had a role in that change. But overall with the advent of the intermediate gas system on a 16 inch barrel the 18 inch barrel is no longer the standard.Pat That said, I currently run an 18" rifle. Didn't feel like running a semi-proprietary gas system length at the moment.

I am liking my Stretch 16 build. Nothing wrong with the long barrels just don't think they are needed for this game. You only gain a touch of velocity. The trend is towards shorter barrels at the moment.

a. Lower: Known good forged lower of your choice unless you have the ducats for a lightweight billet, but I'd go with a good quality forging. b. LPK: Sionics "Builder" LPK. I wouldn't cheap out on the LPK; you want those parts in spec. c. Trigger: The world is your oyster. I'm currently running a HiperFire 24C. In general I would recommend single stage and fairly light (relative to the mil-spec weight) for quick shooting. Upper: Agreed. There are several to consider ranging from Anderson "Sport" upper to Stubborn Mule Outdoor Supply (SMOS) SM slickside. I have a V7 "Basic" with scalloped rail and frankly it looks like an Anderson "Sport" that's been milled - I don't recommend it for that reason, as the machining is not worth the $100 over an Anderson "Sport" upper. CH: AXTS Raptor, 100% agreed. Barrel: I agree with the barrel length of 16" and a mid-length gas system. There are many to choose from, my only suggestion is to avoid a pencil barrel and HBAR profiles - the pencil profile might actually get too hot while the thermal mass of the HBAR isn't needed IMO. You'll want to do research on whether you want stainless steel, button or cut rifling, etc.. I went with a Faxon Firearms Gunner profile barrel - it wasn't too expensive and I didn't want/need a cut-rifled match barrel. Comp/Brake: A lot to choose from. Do some research. I currently run a VG6, but have under consideration several others including the Armalite brake, Surefire Warcomp, and another brake whose name I forgot. BCG: JP LMOS is highly recommended. Titanium BCGs are too expensive per dollar, IMO. Aluminum BCGs wear too quickly. LMOS is a great balance of weight, strength, and most importantly cost. Stock: Your choice. You should have a preference based on weight, profile, feature set. I currently run that MFT stock. You may want to consider a fixed stock as well. Buffer: We'll get back to this, but you want one that matches your receiver extension. Fixed stocks get rifle buffers (99% of the time) and telescoping stocks get carbine buffers. Handguard: I do like my ALGs, but I run the SLR Ion Ultra Lite on my competition rifle. It is much lighter and much more expensive. The ALG is a good balance of weight, strength, and cost. Optics: Choose the class you want to run in, many people run a 1-4x or 1-6x scope. Fixed mount for a scope is a good decision as well and the Aero is fairly lightweight. I personally run an un-magnified red dot, but that may change. I see plenty of people running red dots with magnifiers as well. I also occasionally use a 3x compact ACOG. So about buffers? I highly recommend and adjustable gas block. I run a titanium SLR, but there are many options. I don't know that I would recommend the cheapest as you want one that will continue functioning the longest with the least amount of maintenance and most repeatable adjustability IMO. SLR comes highly recommended, but there are others like Syrac in this price range. On the lower end there's stuff like Odin Works. Do your research to get an adjustable gas block...which will allow you to run a lighter buffer which should decrease the perceived recoil. Using this combination of optimal buffer and adjustable gas will require time and ammo to tune, so if you don't want to do that then ignore this entire section.

Is there any doubt we'll see this gun stateside?

I have an adjustable SLR block and used their jig to dimple two barrels. Had no issues, was easy to use, didn't take long - provided you have the correct bits (or buy the ones they sell).

Steel Challenge is a great beginner shooting sport. That's how I got started. It's not very complex, there's no movement (except that one stage), and it encourages learning the basics of pistol shooting. Having some gear makes it easier, but all that's necessary is enough mags to shoot 2-3 stages (so long as you have a magazine fairy loading mags for you). Hell, a holster isn't even necessary as you can start from low-ready pointing at the rimfire cone if you're uncomfortable drawing. That's what I did my first match. After that, I got some gear to make things smoother and started shooting SC regularly.

In my backpack: lube, various cleaning supplies (patches, brushes), cleaning rod, small flat blade screwdriver, hex key multi-tool(s) depending on rifle/pistol being shot, stapler, staples, tape, spare ear-pro batteries, spare optic batteries, spare mags, back-up weapon. When I shoot my USP Expert, I bring a USP Tactical as a backup. When I shoot my SCAR...well, I bring an AR because I afford another SCAR. Never needed the cleaning kit. Have needed the lube a few times. Only needed the back up gun once and I don't think there was a mechanical problem, but a fatigue problem with me. I have needed the hex key tools on a few occasions - most recently I forgot to open up the adjustable gas on my rifle after I cleaned it and would have had a single-shot rifle for the entire range day had I not brought the hex keys. Depending on the match/class and distance traveled/money spent, you may want to bring not only spare guns, but spare parts as well. I have no recommendation here as I simply do not do that; all spare parts at home and matches aren't that far away.

Oouch! Savage What if you already shoot minor?

That's everything you should be aware of when shooting? I don't remember if I breathe or what I'm doing, I just know that when I rush sight picture and start target focusing, I start getting mikes instead of bravos.

To what end? Is something wrong with the rifle or do you just want to drop $20 to modify a working rifle? Are you getting constant slamfires? I've never slamfired on *any* of my rifles and not on my JP LMOS equipped rifle either.

Well, that's what I get for not checking the thread.

So are these guns still available anywhere or was the imported run all sold?

Different strokes!

You crazy! Vertec grip is the single largest improvement on any 92.

Never shot one, but at the store when I looked through one I didn't particularly like. For the price point I suppose it isn't bad, but the eyebox and eye relief weren't great and the reticle on 1x had a ton of fisheye.

My mistake, I did not see the text for stock status on my phone.

Stay in OT bro.

I run Noveske STS safeties. They're 60° rather than 45° though I find them to be quick enough, inexpensive, and easier on the finger than the stylized metal levers.

Still no trigger kits for these guns? Shame. Was thinking about picking one up. The recent ones seem to have fairly decent triggers, but just not anything remarkable. The lack of an appreciable aftermarket keeps me away from these guns.

I don't see why the LMOS would be consumable - it's steel, whereas the ULMOS I would believe to be consumable due to its aluminum construction. Pretty much. Beyond the LMOS your $/oz goes up exponentially.

In stock at JoeBobOutfitters, was looking at getting one a little while ago. If I don't like my VG6 then I'll consider it.