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Bob, that was very well stated and is the point I was trying to make. I like shooting the shotgun and love stages that require the use of slugs and shot. Those stages really tests the shooters ability to think and solve a problem. I just think that a lot of the bigger matches are becoming too shotgun heavy. A good 10-16 round course will test everything that needs to be tested with the shotgun. And Lawman, fortunately I've never needed my 46 rds of pistol ammo on the street but, I'm sure if you asked some of the officers involved in the North Hollywood Incident, they'd have a different point of view. And you can call me sick but, I used to always love the 50 yard standards that used to be a part of almost every major match. Just my .02 cents. Well actually I'm probably up to about .06 to .08 cents by now!!

Ditto on the shotgun!!! Many of the matches that I've attended were won or lost on the shooters reloading skills on shotgun stages. At DPMS they had a 36 round shotgun stage. Almost everyone was scrambling to borrow ammo carriers so they could carry enough ammo. As a side note on this, if you want to talk about "practical applications", on duty I have available in my patrol car my duty pistol with 46 rds, a back-up pistol with 10 rds, my shotgun with 10 rds, and my AR-15 with 60 rds. Of course I have additional rds available in my car but, that is what is on my person when I get out on something. And BTW, the shotgun hasn't been out of my car during a call in a long time. If I need a gun, I'll take the AR-15 every time. I think it would be reasonable that any stage of a 3 gun match should be able to be solved with that round count. No one that I know carries more than about 12-14 rds of shotgun ammo (full shotgun and a side saddle) in the "real world".

There was either four or five . . . The Cowboys Sands of Iwo Jima Wake of the Red Witch (I think) The Shootist Don't forget The Fighting Seabees The Alamo The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence (The movie occurs during the Duke's character's funeral)

AAHHH The Duke, my favorite!!! Some of my favorites that haven't been mentioned. True Grit: "You can't serve papers on a rat baby sister, you've got to kill em or let em be" "I've got no warrants by name, but I do have a couple of John Does" " Well a pistol that's unloaded and cocked ain't good for nothing" The Shootist " It's not so much about being fast or accurate, it's being willing" " Load six if your insides tells you to" The Undefeated Mrs. Langdon " Why'd you have to shoot him" The Duke " The conversation just kind of dried up Maam" I could go on and on, The Duke was a true classic. Great Thread Dale

In LAMR there is no time factor or pressure. And let's not forget Open Class type holsters!!!! I have no problem with hot-reholstering myself or other trained shooters but, I will not put myself in the position of running a match or stage where I have to RO shooters I don't know their skill level and do the same thing. To me, that is putting yourself and the match at a very high liability level. Much higher, IMO, then running around and shooting with loaded "Implements of Death and Destruction".

Wow, what a thread!! I've been off the forum a few days and it took awhile to read this one. Here's my two cents. I've shot many different types of 3 Gun Matchs from USPSA to DPMS, SMM, the old SOF, and various types of Military and Police Matches. I liked them all. I think the different flavors of the matches are an asset not a detriment. There should be no effort to consolidate all the rules unless someone comes up with the "perfect" system (no such thing). I don't see an issue with equipment either. Shoot what you have or buy new stuff if that's what you want to do. As far as the hot reholstering and the "tactical applications" go, if your interested in those things, train on your own time. As soon as the word competition comes into the mix, tactics go out the window. The real gold mine in this sport for tactical applications is mastering the gunhandling skills that this sport requires. Then go back and train your tactics with these refined skills. Having taught tactics and weapons skills to Military Spec Ops and Police and participated in training over the last 25 years, I can say that there is nothing that I would feel unsafe doing on the range with the right personnel but, those personnel have been trained and have been working together and trust each other. At your typical 3 Gun Match you will have all levels of shooters and some things are simply beyond them.

There was someone at the DPMS Match that was running some homemade speed loaders that he had made himself out of PVC. He had some that held 6 rds and some that held 8 rds. They worked real well from what I saw.

Ditto Great match. I alllmmmoosttt made my goal of shooting a clean match. I had 1 mike on the Key stage. Other than that no major blunders and I feel that I shot about as good a match as possible. Congrates to Chris and Thomas who outshot me in Open A. They had their acts together. I RO'ed on the Honey Don't Forget Your Key stage on Saturday. It was a very interesting stage and seeing the different ways that each shooter attacked the stage was both entertaining and enlightening. The Match Staff did a wonderful job with everything I saw running at or ahead of time. A big thank you to all that lent a hand. Great Job guys and gals.

I liked that it was so dense which made loading easier but, it is extremely dirty and I was getting serious signs of pressure. I'm currently using Power Pistol and like it alot. Very clean, negligable signs of pressure and the dot tracks well. It is loud though.

Apparently zookeep needs to do some maintenance on his BRT's. That's the second major match that his "6 for sure" wheelgun has failed him. Us bottomfeeders sure do wish our guns were as reliable as them BRT's you guys use!!!!!! Sorry Jack, I just couldn't resist. I'll be out there working tomorrow and shooting on Sunday. See ya there.

Tewlman, Now all you need is a high speed progressive machine scope cover so you can shoot occluded with it!!!! I'll bet the shine from that bald head really makes that fiber optics front sight glow!!!! LMAO Great looking gun

JD, Many thanks for your efforts and hard work. I enjoyed Stage 6 (even though I'd like to have shot better) and thought the RO's on that stage did a great job. BTW, I'm all for some off hand for next year!!!!

As far as the rest of the match.. the squad I shot with was great.. Steve, Steve, and Tony.. it was definately a blast shooting with you guys. Next time I`m gonna bring my dog training collar for a certain member of the squad.. so we can zap his ass when we can`t find him. I`ve already got my entry ready for next year.. see ya there. Scott, great shooting with you also. I'll definitely be there next year.

I too witnessed the incident on Stage 5 that tewlman described and have similar feelings on the matter. The vast majority of the RO's that I dealt with were helpful and doing a great job. Unfortunately like in all life a few bad apples can cast a bad light on the whole barrel. The DPMS crew are absolutely the best. That in my opinion is what makes this such a great match. The support that this company shows to the shooting community is second to none and should be copied by all. I'll definitely be back to this match because of that fact. The match itself was overall a good match. The stage designs did provide way too many 180 traps that sent too many shooters home disappointed. The match was definitely weighted towards shotgun (unfortunate for me). I definitely need to work on my shotgunning!!!! I agree with sgt that this is because of the range layout so I'll just suck it up and try to improve with my boom stick before next year. I too would have liked to see a more intense pistol stage. Apparently there was supposed to be a high speed shooting trailer brought in for Stage 4 but, that fell through the cracks. The DPMS trailer setup was a last minute fix. I did do very well on both pistol stages though. Stage 5 was a great stage. With that being said, it was too long and complex for the number of shooters and the time constraints. The mover was also too fast and was very inconsistent. While watching the stage we timed the mover at anywhere from 3 seconds to 6 seconds to cover the open space. it was way too inconsistent for a major match. The prize table, WOW!! I am glad to see that they got away from the Lewis System and awarded prizes for heads up finish. That is the way it should be. I did not like the seperate prize tables for the divisions however. I think that the way the prizes were done last with everthing being available to all shooters was much better. My hat is off to Randy Luth and the DPMS crew and to all the RO's who were doing the job right. I'll definitely be back.

"I got me the Josey Wales"

"You got 3 guns but only one arm." "I just don't want to die from lack of shootin' back" "See you still got that old Spencer Rifle." "See if old Corky woulda had 2 guns instead of 1 gun and a big di** he woulda been in it till the end and he woulda killed old Bob." The Unforgiven "And you sprang upon them with a deadly six shot revolver in your hand?" I always try to be ready." " And was that revolver loaded and cocked?" "Well a pistol that's unloaded and cocked ain't good for nothing." "By god girl, that's a Colt's Dragoon." "If I had a horse pistol like that, I wouldn't be scared of no boogerman neither." True Grit

I have a Kramer IWB holster in horsehide that I've been wearing for the last 8 years. I carry all the time and I use this holster about 90% of the time. It is just as solid as it was on day one. I am extremely happy with it and would highly recommend a good horsehide holster if your going to pack leather. I have worn out several Milt Sparks Summer Specials over the years but, I think this Kramer will probably out last me.

B.R.T. = Big Round Thing (revolver for all us bottom feeders). Apparrently the cylinder paw broke on his 625 and why he didn't have a back up, I don't know.

What Craig said. Consider this. 9mm Major Brass $10 Bullets $50 Primers $15 Powder $20 $95 per 1000 rds $190 2000 rds $285 3000 rds 38SC Brass $90 Bullets $50 Primers $15 Powder $20 $175 per 1000 rds $350 2000 rds $525 3000 rds

Zookeeps B.R.T. broke on his third stage. So much for the old "6 for sure" saying!!!! It was really a shame cause he had a good match going up till then.

My favorite quotes on winning/losing. # 1 " The will to win compares little with the will to prepare to win" Everyone wants to win but, few have the drive and the mental focus to do it!!! # 2 "The only thing worse than losing is quitting" Use your poor performances as motivation to improve and never, never quit.

Me and Tewlman are in. Looks like we'll be staying at the range in Tewlmans new RV.

Stev, Don't start whinning already!!!! You know your supposed to wait until match day to start whinning and making excuses. Damn it man let us observe the proprieties!!!!!!

Mike, Jack had said 2 1/2" or shorter. Unless something has changed!! Me I'll be gaming the side match out with my trusty Airweight J-Frame Bodyguard and a borrowed speed loader. So you guys eat your hearts out.............

There's no prize table but you can look at my Shooter's Connection Tournament bag and order one from Chuck There's no trophies but I have Zookeepers Top Revolver plaque from the Targeting Education match and you can hold it while you have your picture taken (camera not provided) And you can have your photo taken with Aikidale (compromising photos $1.00 extra) With opportunities like these how could anyone refuse!!!!!