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Chris, Yes, get it! Where in CA do you live? I might even help you tune it

The Cajun Gun Works reduced power trigger return spring is the way to go, the Henning trigger does make it easier to adjust and has slightly more potential for a crisp, sub 2# trigger, but it is a hefty investment. I have one on my Hunter Open gun:

I posted this in another forum, but I though it would be useful here for the uninitiated. Please feel free to add/correct any of the info below, after all I am but a mere mortal (albeit one who has owned and tuned more than a dozen CZ75s and clones!). Frames: -small frame - capable of chambering .22, 9mm and .40 only (these are the calibers offered in current models, past models and custom offerings can be had in 9x21, .41AE, .357 SIG and other, even more obscure calibers I can't even think of. I have toyed with the idea of welding up the chamber of a 9x19 barrel and rechambering it in .380 auto for a short strokin', fast cyclin' high capacity Open Minor gun... but then I slapped some sense into myself.) -large frame - capable of chambering .22, 9mm, .40, .38 Super, 10mm, .45 (and just about any handgun cartage including 9X25 Dillon and .40 super). Prior to 2005 38/10/45 guns were large frame, 9/40 guns were small frame, but in 2005 EAA started importing all calibers in large frame format; then came the "Witness Classic" small frame 9/40 and the large (Witness P) and small (Witness PS) frame poly guns. -standard and compact - refers to the length of the grip Slides: -compact - 3.6" barrel -standard - 4.5" barrel -longslide - 4.75" barrel -Hunter - 6" barrel Small frame slides house barrels with an OD of 14mm and large frame slides house barrels with an OD of 15mm The mythical beast that is the 'flat shooting' Open pistol is a one particular fools errand of mine, so if you're looking for obscure technical info or advice feel free to PM me, I'm full if it!

The most significant difference between Tanfoglios and CZ is the trigger reset mechanism: CZ uses a U shaped spring: and Tanfos use a trigger plunger:

Ask and ye shall receive!

What about a 9mm Match? That would be significantly cheaper than either

You have a large frame long slide there.

Yep. You're trying to choose between a Stock II and a Limited? Unless you want to shoot Production, I'd take the Limited all day long.

The Stock II has a 'standard' length slide and barrel (4.5") and the Limited has a 'long slide' (4.75"), is drilled and tapped for optics, comes with a mag well and is SAO. Both have 'cone fit' barrels. The Stock II shares it's frame/slide with the Gold Team, although the Gold Team is D&T for optics and has lightening cuts in the slide. Stock II has polygonal rifling. The dust cover is .25" shorter than the Limited but .65" longer than your Limited Pro.

GYT, If you're happy with your Shadow, you could always simply convert it to SAO and add a magwell, but if you want something with a smaller grip, here's what I recommend: Jericho 941 (AKA Baby Eagle, Uzi Eagle, Desert Eagle Pistol) equipped with a frame mounted safety: I'm not sure of the availability where you are (I assume you're not in the US?), but here in the US, the slide mounted decocker safety models are most prevalent and no good for a SAO conversion. The Jericho is functionally identical to the Tanfoglio and has a significantly smaller grip. It takes the same mags as the small frame Tanfoglio or the CZ 75. With this pistol, you could use all the aftermarket parts you would for a small frame Tanfoglio: race hammer, flat trigger, magwell. It has a 4.5" barrel as opposed to the 4.75" long slide barrel of the Limited although you could purchase the small frame, long slide Tanfoglio conversion kit and shoot it on this frame if you so chose. The frame safety Jericho is essentially a Stock II, with a thinner grip, lighter slide, fixed sights and a straight barrel as opposed to the cone barrel of the Stock II.

I posted this on a Tanfoglio forum: Frames: -small frame - capable of chambering .22, 9mm and .40 only (current models) -large frame - capable of chambering .22, 9mm, .40, .38 Super, 10mm, .45 (and just about any handgun cartage). Prior to 2005 38/10/45 guns were large frame, 9/40 guns were small frame, but in 2005 EAA started importing all calibers in large frame format; then came the "Witness Classic" small frame 9/40 and the large (Witness P) and small (Witness PS) frame poly guns. -standard and compact - refers to the length of the grip Slides: -compact - 3.6" barrel -standard - 4.5" barrel -longslide - 4.75" barrel -Hunter - 6" barrel Small frame slides house barrels with an OD of 14mm and large frame slides house barrels with an OD of 15mm

There are some who say there is no difference in grip dimensions between the large and small frames (believe Henning is one of them), however the checkering on the front and rear of the Limited is raised where that of the Shadow is cut into the frame. In theory you could grind off the checkering and get it to a similar size as the Shadow (more of a square shape though). The Jericho 941 is mechanically almost identical to the Tanfoglio, but has a significantly smaller grip, although if you want to shoot Limited in SAO you would need to find a frame safety model which is nearly impossible. The slide mounted safety Jericho makes a great stand in for the Stock II in Production.

I agree it's silly to start a new debate every time a new pistol comes to market, but what would be the debate? If the rule reads 6 shots Major or 8 shots minor, you can shoot your 8 shot .40, it's just scored minor, just like you can shoot your .40 1911 in SS with 10 rounds, it's just scored minor. ETA: I don't shoot SS can a .40 hold ten rounds and still fit in the box?

That's an interesting video, but I must be an old soul for 31 since I couldn't focus over the voice in my head yelling "tuck in that shirt!", "what's with the tattoos?!?" </grumpy old bastard>

Wait a second!?! I just realized the link is to the SAO hammer which is what I have, but the picture is of the SA/DA hammer you have there... Are the hooks the same on both? Mine is more of a groove than hooks. This is the one I have:

Stuart, is that one made by CZ or CZC? I snagged this one: http://shop.cz-usa.com/P-19506/Competition-Hammer-Sa-Only.aspx for my TS when they were in stock now I wish I had bought six!

I'm confused Magsz are you talking about a DA/SA Shadow? or a TS with a DA/SA Shadow race hammer installed? in either case, the 11.5# hammer spring is the cause of the mush. Also, the stock spring in my TS was heavier than 13#, more like ~15-16#. If you like heavy triggers, grab the stock hammer spring out of a 75B, it's in the neighborhood of 18-19# and it'll make that hammer snap! Hell I've got a whole bag of them, PM me your address and I'll send you one. ETA: sorry I meant hammer springs

Time for a redneck gun smithing update: Like most CZ Tactical Sport owners, I love the pistol, love the trigger, but hate having so much trouble finding a bullet I can load longer than 1.1" with lead in the short chamber. So I decided to ream it out a little bit, but those damn reamers are so expensive... I have a machinist's set of drill bits, so I figured what the hell! I took my drill bits: W (.386"), X (.397") and Y (.404"), wrapped electrical tape around the shank until the OD was .420" (wrapped clockwise so it doesn't unroll as the bit turns) to keep the bit centered in the chamber and stop it from feeding down the barrel. I turned the bits by hand (W to Y) and continued to check the chamber with a moderately loaded lead round nose (1.135") until it spun free. On the way to the range the first time, I was a little worried I may have just ruined a $145 barrel, but it shot perfectly, cycled reliably and the rifling looks just like it did out of the factory. I call that a success!

I'm telling you Bamboo: this Friday afternoon walk into the loading dock with a case of beer and make some friends, I'm sure they would give you the heads up when new stuff comes in.

I must be the luckiest SOB alive, the last time I ordered from EAA, I got the wrongs parts, shipped them back and got the right parts within a week and a half! I also snagged the purple unicorn that is the 6" 9mm barrel.

If you've got good fundamentals, I don't think your scores really change at all with your equipment, but isn't more about FEEL? About showing off your bad ass trigger job to your friends? The more I shoot and the better I get, the more I realize the equipment is mostly irrelevant. I'm a gun nut, I have lots of them and I love to tinker with them all. I love light, crisp triggers with as little travel as possible and I spend lots of time and money to get them, but I know it's not that important, it's just my hobby. For me it's the challenge to have the best trigger anyone who dry fires it has ever felt. It's just like the elusive 'flat shooting' Open gun. Last time I was at the range, I shot all three of my Open Guns with all seven of my comps, and three different loads and it hit me like a ton of bricks: I'm really splitting hairs here!

Really?!? are you using the factory hammer? Which hammer spring. I polished the crap out of everything, run the race hammer with a 20# hammer spring and have a icicle break sub 2# trigger with just over 2mm or travel from stop to stop. With a 15# hammer spring it's like butter with a 1#, 7oz pull. Ive had a number of 2011 guys get major broners dry firing my TS

It's funny, I had my first match win at a steel match last Thursday night (in all humility, the two or three top guys in the club weren't there), but I felt like I was going sooo slooow! I had my brother-in-law with me and it was his first time competing; on the way to the range I lectured him on the fundamentals and tried to beat it in to him that getting the hits is more important than the time, he can take what seems like all day but if he doesn't miss any targets he'll finish well. After all that talk I KNEW I better walk the walk so I took it really nice and slow. My first string I drew and fired on six pieces of steel in ~6.3 seconds, next string was ~5, third was 4.34; I repeated this warm-up, faster, faster pattern on all three stages with no misses. Never once did I feel out of control or close to the ragged edge, all I was focused on was getting my hits. Nothing would have been more embarrassing than schooling my brother-in-law on the importance of getting the hits, then missing steel trying to show off.

28 in my small frame big stick, 29 in my TS big stick.

My money would be on a removable front sight. If it comes fixed, EAA would most likely let you return it (shipping on you of course).