RPM8shot

Way to go Guy from Florida!! Keep up the good shooting. DVC Renny

xuxupecheur, Welcome to USPSA shooting. Remember to relax and have fun. the new cylinder release you ordered should be fine. before you go changing too many things on your gun and buying a bunch of gear you don't need, you may want to shoot a few matches first to find out what it is that you really need to match your ability and shooting style. This will help you avoid a little of the financial pain. If you have been shooting IDPA then the transition to USPSA shooting should not take long. DVC Renny

"Randy Lee won one of the revolvers by raffle and gave it to a local shooter that need a good revolver to compete." In my experience with Randy is that he has always been a consistent class act. Personally, I don't compete for the prize table. If I get a trip to the table, that is just icing on the cake. Competitors should earn their trip to the table. Leave the raffles for charity and bingo night. Just me, Renny

"As an example Jerry M used a 8 shot with a full underlug 6" barrel for the last few IRC matches that I attended." Not to hijack the thread but since this was brought up; Dave, Where did Jerry get a barrel like that? It looks very much like my 586. The only other time I have seen an 8 shot like that was one that Jason Pettit owned. Thanks Renny

warpspeed, Welcome to wheelguns. Yeah look up fun in the dictionary and you will find these good people and wheelguns. As you know speed comes with practice. so practice, practice, practice. I also shoot USPSA with a 625-3. I almost have a master ranking but this has been some time coming. If you are a capable open shooter, you will have no problem getting up to speed in wheel gun. "Don't be alarmed if you suddenly begin talking to yourself or your gun during a stage. It's normal to resort to this kind of behavior in the early stages of the affliction. It goes away as you get better and faster"... haras, It's funny you mention that, I thought I was the only one who did that. And yes as you become more capable you actually talk faster I don't think the self talk ever stops. DVC Renny

I used to use the box the bullets came in. The box that 500 .38 spec bullets comes in is the right size to hold about 30-40 fully loaded 627 clips. I put the bullet box in a small canvas tool bag. You can get the bag from sears or harbor freight. After a while you will want to replace to box with a plastic container of similar size. The bag idea works for the Steel Challenge, IRC, Regional Match or monthly match. This allows you to keep the clutter out of the main shooting bag. The neat thing is that the small canvas bag with ammo fits inside the Dillon Range bag and then can be taken out when at the match. Works for me. DVC Renny

On my RPM 8shot: I used to have a highly modified Hogue black nylon grip. Since the grip was made of nylon, I would sand here epoxy there till I eneded up with final shape I called "the pickle". A few years later Miculek grip came out. My highly modified "pickle" was almost a perfect match to the Miculek so I switched to the Miculek for looks sake. I like the wood grip look. On my 625 and 586 I have Miculek grips also. DVC

third_of_five, Randy is correct. If you are not short stroking the trigger then the cylinder stop is givng you trouble. My 625-3 was doing exactly what you describe. I bought the gun second hand and it appeared to have a bunch of race stuff done to it. I have since trashed every piece and frame and started over with stock parts. I located the offending chamber then noticed that the cylinder would indeed skip if I pulled the trigger hard and fast. What I found was my cylinder stop was starting to round off(due to over polishing) and the cylinder stop window had some metal on the inside of the frame that was causing the stop to not fully extend at times. (How that happened I don't know). The stop would actually get hung up at times. I also found a very much shortened cylinder stop spring (very little tension) Note: Some cylinder detents are a bit shallower than others also. This makes the cylinder stop spring tension crucial. Use only a stock unaltered spring. I cleaned up the window and installed a new cylinder stop spring and cylinder stop. Viola!! no more problem. You may have to fit the new cylinder stop to the gun but you should only need minor adjustments. Hope this helps Renny

Can we get a picture of that work? PLEAAAASEEEE!! We said plaease now you have to show us... Renny

VERY NICE!!! A Steel Gun. Looking forward to the ballistics report. DVC Renny

Why not use a small pair of pliers from Sears? Channellock Brand has some of these also. I have been using the same Craftsman pliers for over 10 years and no breakage. The pliers are a bit small but they work on moonclips perfectly. I merely slipped a couple of pieces of rubber tubing over the handles to fill out the grip a little. Sears item #00904513000 Mfr. model #4513 http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do? BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00904513000&subcat=Automotive+Specialty+Tools Only $9.00 If you break them you can always get another under the Craftsman warranty. Just me Renny

Man I just sent my 627 in for hard chroming. I could have bought a truck load of sharpies for the price of that job. Seriously, that is a nice looking 627. Is there a reason for the black finish besides appearance?

Hi Renny, Send the gun in and I'll time the extractor at the same time that I mill the star to the proper depth for moonclips. Randy AZShooter, You have a sure bet. Randy, You are the man!!! One stop shopping Oh Yeah!! I was really praying that I would not have to get S&W involved. (I guess prayer works) I will get the gun out to you in a couple of weeks. I will enclose a note for other work on a different gun I would like for you to consider. Once again thanks Renny

I think I have a problem. The gun in question is my PC686-3 7shot. A while back I stopped shooting my 686 because the action was very sporatic. It would seem like the gun would be very smooth for 5 shots then get very incosistent on the 6 and 7th shot. The binding would occur in the same spot on the cylinder so i could pin point which spot on the extractor needed help. Well to my suprise, I find that one of the legs on the extractor is broken off. Hmmm, I wonder when that happened. It appears that this missing leg is allowing the star and cylinder to move independently of each other. In other words timing of the gun is affected. I ordered a new extractor from Brownells and everything is good except I had my old ejector cut down to work with moonclips and it looks like the new extractor needs to be fitted as far as timing the gun. I know I can get Randy Lee to cut the extractor down for the clips but who can I get to time the new extractor? I know there is a special tool that S&W uses to trim the extractor to set the timing. Should I just ship the gun to S&W? Please help. Any insight would be appreciated. Renny

WOW!! I like the color but I can't help think that thing looks like an opened swiss army knife. Just Me.

Welcome, You will learn alot from the guys here. RPM8shot

[ Sam probably won't get real serious about shooting this year until baseball season is over....but that's OK, baseball's good for him too. I have not been bleesed myself but my Nephew is also 13 in baseball. I would really like to get him to the range so I feel your pain. What I try to stress to new shooters is the importance of far and near standards. Most find standards boring and slow but If one was to break standards down of a series of drills, one would see that most disciplines are coverd in that one course of fire. Either way you must be very proud. Keep up the good work Sam!! Fellow shooter, Renny

In my quest for the perfect grip I also started whittling on a Hogue grip. I used to have a Nylon version of the popular rubber hogue grip with finger grooves. The I grip/stock was developed over a peroid of two years. After all my cutting and shaping, to my suprise I ended up with a grip I used to call the "pickle". At the time the Miculek grip just came out. I measure my grip and the Miculek grip and saw that I had fashioned my stock VERY similar in shape and contour. Hmmm..Small world I guess. I have since purchased a Miculek grip. I like the look of a wood finished grip. Just me, Renny

X2 "The boy has a lot of potential. Your pride in him is evident and well placed." "And he shoots pretty good too" It appears that young Sam has had excellent training so far. Bravo!!! I watched that video a few times and as a "verteran" at the revolver game all I can say is getting beat by a "kid" will not be not so bad. It doesn't look like that reload technique Sam is using is slowing him down at all. I am sure through more shooting time, Young Sam will start economizing movement where he can, then after that, he is only going to get faster. I see a Master in the very NEAR future. Keep up the good work Sam!! Mike, Was that kneeling position in the doorway mandatory? If not, I found that position a very interesting choice. Does Sam practice Standing, kneeling and prone shooting. When I first started shooting USPSA in 94 we used to have one stage per match that would have these three positions. What model gun is Young Sam using? I will guess it looks like a model 25 with a 6.5" barrel. My personal favorite .45 wheelie. DVC Renny

What's up Florida guy (Cliff). I'll look you up this year at the IRC Now I don't know about knowing my stuff but if my expreiences could save RobE from filling a couple of boxes of called "Extra shooting Stuff" then so be it. Good shooting Renny

Practice? That's something most of us do at the match. FWIW: Dave did offer me a sample of his work and I saw the difference immediately. I like to use and practice with the same clips and ammo I use at the match. That way you can become consistent. Good Luck Renny

RobE, I humbly offer my rig for your consideration: I shoot an open gun in ICORE. My gun is a converted M28 to 8 shot by Charlie Prest of RPM in 1996. For USPSA I use a stock 625-3 5" barrel. For optics I use a (revised) Tasco Optima 2000 with a custom extra battery holder made by Ralph Arredondo. I won that scope at the IRC in 1999 so, the price was right. I placed 14th overall that year. All you have to do is get burned by an inferior moonclip and the cost of Hearthco's will seem like a give away. Other clips vary in fit and finish. Hearthco clips are consistent and offer excellent fit and function. So, save your money and get Hearthco... "Cost is an issue only in the absence of value." I use RP brass. Nickel plating is not necessary unless you are into Ammo that looks like jewelry. For a holster I use a Safariland 002 and matching belt. I modified the screw on the hoster by the cylinder so I can adjust the hold of the gun when I draw. A very loose holster hold on the gun is helpful in matches like the Steel Challange where you draw the gun 27 times and if you can save up to .30sec each time, well you do the math. For moonclip holders I use the Old Safariland metal clips with no insert. I get the non- insert models because those are the least expensive and I add my own insert. I learned this modification from Cedric "Mr. Fixit" Yoshimura so here goes: For .38 super I punch a hole (use a sharp punch) in the bottom of the clip where the "post" would go. I then ream the hole to 3/8". I use a tapered reamer because a drill bit won't cut that spring steel well. I get these plastic things called "bed post fillers" from Orhcard Supply and Hardware Store (OSH). I thread the filler for a 3/8 X 16tpi screw. Now you can screw the filler onto the clip and Viola!! Instant filler. The size of the filler is roughly 1.110" in diameter and is looks like it is actually relieved to hold ammo. For .45 cal I modify the filler because the larger .38super fillers hold .45 ammo too tight for my liking. I go back to OSH and get the .750"(measured at the bottom of the filler) fillers and switch. I clip the ammo in the holder using two rounds pinched between the front of the clip and the filler. For me this gives the best hold and ability to pick for reloads. Walt S, I used those TK Custom holders when they first came out a couple of years ago. Now it may have been my running technique but when I would move up range quickly, I noticed that I was leaving a trail of loaded clips like bread crumbs. I hope you have better success. Lastly, whatever equipment you settle on: Practice, Practice, Practice. DVC Renny

You wont miss the 8th shot. I bought my 8 shot for IPSC/USPSA way back in 95. Yes, I had a huge mechanical advantage against other 6 and 7 shot revolvers. (I am now using a 625 for USPSA) In ICORE, I find that I rarely use 7 or 8 shots. If I do, I probalby missed the first time and am now adding time to my score by making up the shot. Yeah a make up shot is better than a mic but if you have to dwell on the target making up shots, you are adding time. Forget the 8th shot and practice to be fast and accurate with the first 6. If you need a make up shot like on steel, then you have one. 8 shots are great for matches like the Steel Challenge. Bubber sums things up pretty good DVC Renny

spook, If you are looking for a new gun the (stainless steel) 686 is a good all around .38/.357. You should be able to find a 4" version easily. There are also lots of sight combos, speed loaders and grips available aftermarket for this series handgun. L frames seem to be a good compromise between the K and N frame as far as size and weight. If you prefer the size and weight of an N frame then the model 27/28 is good but no jet loaders available. The K frame Model 10 are small and easy to shoot .38+p. These guns are very light. 4" Model 10's are fixed sight and are abundant used or still available new. A model 67 or model 19 are good medium frame guns but with adjustable sights. Good Luck Hey Dave, Isn't that called the "upper A/B zone?" Renny