Sac Law Man

Yes I watched the video... the draw I referred to has the shooter bringing the gun straight up in front of the face, at eye level and pressing out from there.

+1

Max Does not draw that way. He presses out from the point where his hands meet.

Andreas.... Agreed

Todd Green huh,, that may explain it.

If I can give the call I will, if its a situation where the shooter fires too fast for the call or the oppurtunity to get behind cover, no call, just the PE.

It was a LE class.. but when the guy said all the top competition shooters do it, I knew he was full of it.

Yes I agree... I have several issues with this method. One, Alhtough I want to get the gun up and pressing out toward the target ASAP, I want an unobstructed view as well. Two, I want the gun moving at the target at all times, as you stated above regarding the straight line. Three, in a self defense situation, I want to be able to fire anywhere along my draw stroke. I consider competition shooters to be the best, and I too have never seen this either.

While attending a training class last month. The instructors were reviwing the draw with the class and were demonstrating a draw in which the gun is drawn from the holster, and met with the support hand somewhere around the center line of the body (All good so far). Then they advocated bringing the gun straight up from midline of their body, directly in front of the eyes/face and them pressing out from there! There theory was you can start to align your sights sooner. I questioned one instructor where this method came from and his response was "All the competition shooters and special forces guys are doing this". I had never heard of this and no one I have talked to has either. Anyone?

Any time you get good at something your gunna look smooth.. smooth is not slow, smooth is being good. Its like the golf swing... good golfers look smooth, but many are killing it. Look at Fred Couples,, One of the smoothest swings of all time, also one of the games longest hitters, there is nothing slow about his swing, in fact its faster than normal. Practice your draw a lot and in time you will grove your draw and it will appear smooth, regardless of speed.

I dont think in terms of seeing faster, but rather getting used to really pushing the transitions, driving the gun to the next target so fast that I have to force myself to get my eyes there first. If I dont, I feel like I am just point shooting shots in the direction of the target, and my hits reflect this. For me, its not pushing myself or trusting myself that get in my way..This may seem like putting the cart before the horse, but I feel driving the gun hard, gets my eyes there faster. Heres another way to look at it.. Lets say you can train your eyes to see faster. What is fast though, and how do you measure it? What if your eyes are still slower than your ability to move the gun? Without using the speed of your transition as your guide, your playing catch up. You have to be able to tell your eyes how fast you need them to see. Really push the transitions and you will get used to seeing faster.

Makes complete sense..I may adjust my thought process.. Thanks

I dont see any difference in seeing a scoring zone, versus a spot on the target! This will be different for each shooter depending on their eye sight. You would be amazed at how fast your eyes can focus. I have read (and believe) that it is no slower to see a spot or scoring zone clearly while driving the gun, as opposed to just aiming at the center of a target. I think new shooters dont see the perfs, becasue they have not learned visual patience, either that or they dont know any better. I look for scoring zones--on most targets.. in my opinion, what I want to avoid is aiming at the center of a big brown target. I also see your point.... maybe im mistaken..

My only issue with the spot is this, you are training yourself to look for a small spot within the A zone which may not be there during an actual match. if you are bypassing seeing the scoring zone, you are training yourself improperly. When I dry fire at a target, my #1 goal is to see the perforations or scoring rings, then line my sights up in the middle of that zone and press.

Dan is it a captive spring?

I agree,, Im gunna try the 15 ISMI..

Gun is a new (500 rounds) Gen 3 Glock 34. KKM barrell, 14lb Wolff recoil spring. When seating a mag during a tac reload, the slide came out of battery (and stayed out) ever so slightly. A light recoil spring causing the problem would make sense but I have heard of guys using 11 lb springs! Any suggestions?

There is no secret answer. Lots of good advice already. Practice shooting off a rest, two hands. Then work on strong hand and weak hand. Learn what type of trigger pull you need to fire and accurate shot. I agree with not letting the trigger out all the way, but just enough that the sear resets. Dry fire alot as well. The only thing I will add that was not mentioned is to grip the gun firm. A firm grip will counter any sideways movement your trigger finger is causing.

Those times from concealemt at 10 yards, hitting the down 0.... are very good times,, even for a MASTER. If those times are accurate, and your only an EX, or SS, something else is wrong, but its not your draw....

I thought it was a good test. It took me about an hour.. 97 and change..

Here is my suggestion.. First, this anticipation is in your head. When you fire a shot and it goes right, what did you see, did you see your sight lift, were you able to call you shot? My guess is no! Are you blinking? You are most likely making the gun go bang. A flinch is really you making the gun go bang NOW, when your sights were perfectly aligned, as opposed to pulling the trigger and experiencing a surprise break. Two drills that can help..First, load up a mag, alternating live rounds and dummy rounds. You will know when a dummy is coming, but after a while your subscious will not care and you will make the same trigger pull each time Second, at 7 yards pick a target out and with your gun make a figure 8 motion over the target. The center of the figure 8 should be your target. As you approach the target start squeezing the trigger and dont stop moving the gun. The goal is to show yourself you do not need a perect sight picture to fire a perfect shot.

A drill Bill Rogers uses in his training works well. The ball and dummy drill is a great drill to show you what is wrong with your trigger pull, but doesnt necessarilly help you fix it. Load your mags yourself. Alternate, one live round and one dummy round. Work on not flinching. In reality, a flinch is a conscious effort by you to make the gun fire, otherwise known as "NOW"! With this drill, you will know when a dummy round is coming and after a while your subconscious will not care and you will pull the trigger the same each time. You will also notice your rounds will start to impact where you are aimed.

The thing that has helped me the most is NOT regripping between shots. Many shooters do, they feel the gun recoil and move in their hands. They think the movement is huge, and regrip, when in reality, the shift is minimal. Another thing is having the rest, the table its on and your seat to be comfortable and at the correct height. My guess is whatever position you are shooting from with the rest, is not comfortable and you are not stable. When you stand, you are comfortable and stable and are more relaxed.

Good Stuff Pat,, I too have been working on increasing my grip pressure. I have found that when I consciously feel the tension in my grip, I feel more "behind the gun" and my overall awareness is greater, ie I see my sight clearer.

I agree, most clubs would be/should be willing to help you get started and give you a grace period to get equip that conforms.