Brian B

Zero. The HBWC (Hollow Based Wad Cutter) bullet is seated completely flush with the mouth of the cartridge case. The perfectly flat face of the bullet cuts a crisp round circle in the target. Winning scores are sometimes called using a micrometer template to determine if the shot cut into the scoring line. The Hollow Base permits the gas to force the outer walls of the bullet out into the barrel grooves which promotes extreme accuracy. If you are asking how the Safariland Comp III speed loaders work with the HBWC ammo they are just fine. I know about 45 shooters in our PPC league using this setup. Only a few use SWC38special. No one uses moon clips. The 38 special case is 1.155 inches long and the case is held in the SpeedLoader to a depth of about .25 inch. Therefore there is .905 of an inch of casing extending out from the reloader. This is more than ample to get er gone.

Hi Twister, It's all about the bullets. I shoot HBWC ( hollow base wad cutters = as used by all grand masters) in PPC loading with Safariland level 3 speed loaders. The long handle makes it easier to persuade (wiggle?) the flat faced ammo into the cylinder. Once all 6 bullets have started their voyage a quick push on the loader snaps them home. I have a fully decked out Smith 586 with a bull barrel, aristocrat sights, bobbed hammer, extended firing pin, springs and the magic of my gunsmith on the trigger. The course of fire in PPC usually allows a focused but not frantic use of time. There is reasonable time allowance to move from different positions while shooting and reloading: prone, kneeling, left barricade right barricade ext. I use FMJ RN (FULL METAL JACKET ROUND NOSE) in a Smith 610 revolver for IPSC ( USPSA). I load them in TC Custom Moon Clips with a BT Mooner. My holster and magnetic Moon clip holders are from Double Alfa in the Netherlands. The Smith 610 makes Major with 180 grain FMJ RN .40 cal. The hard round nose makes it super fast to load and unload. PPC emphasises accuracy and not speed and power whereas IPSC (USPSA) includes all three. If you are going to participate in PPC, using HBWC bullets is my recommendation; loading with the Safariland Level 3 speed loaders. Some shooters prefer SWC ( Semi-Wad Cutters). There is no benefit using Moon Clips to load this ammo. There are I believe several disadvantages. Besides missing out on the useful handle of the Safariland level 3 loaders; sitting, kneeling and lying down on discharged Moon Clips can be painful. It will also be expensive to replace whichever you bend. Happy shooting! Brian B

I use Heartco clips, exclusively, in USPSA/IPSC competiton in my S&W 610. I've tried most of the other suppliers but they don't compare. I shoot Federal to use their soft primers to minimize ignition failures. Good luck!

I know how you feel, I shoot a 610 with moonclips and a Speed E Rack using my weak hand. I think it all belongs to the concept of dexterity, you will see that most of the strong hand reloaders have very large hands. (see Jerry Michuluk's mitts). The wise observations from Massad Ayube regarding slapping the ejector rod with your hand instead of the thumb and burning the fingers confirmed the choice of the weak hand reload for myself: I think it is a personal choice either way works best. I practice dry firing where I pull the trigger once change moon clips, pull the trigger once, change moon clips ... until my whole rack is empty. I move to a new shooting position each time. I set up a cof in my bedroom and let the moonclips fall on the carpet. I try to get as smooth as possible. Have fun!

My daughter and her boyfriend are medical students from Canada and will be studying surgery as interns in a hospital in New York City. They will have B1 student visas. They expect to work long hours and return home late at night in the Bronks area. My daughter has been shooting pistols and revolvers with me since she was 10 and her boyfriend is also proficient. I have recommended they should protect themselves. Does anyone know how they may go about getting their CCW permits? Thanks

My daughter and her boyfriend are medical students from Canada and will be studying surgery as interns in a hospital in New York City. They will have B1 student visas. They expect to work long hours and return home late at night in the Bronks area. My daughter has been shooting pistols and revolvers with me since she was 10 and her boyfriend is also proficient. I have recommended they should protect themselves. Does anyone know how they may go about getting their CCW permits? Thanks

I manage my revolver recoil with this: http://www.trausch.com/form/crossesbise.htm

I use a big dot on my Ruger sr9 and fiber optics on the front and rear sights of my revolvers. http://xssights.com/index.php?nID=sights&cID=Sights&pID=sights&sID=handgun

I have Trausch grips on all my revolvers, highly recommended http://www.trausch.com/form/crossesbise.htm

I shoot major in my S&W 610 using 180 grain 40 cal. It has negligable mussel flip and recoil that is hardly felt. I also have Trausch grips ( with built in beaver tails) on all my revolvers: 617, 627, 610, 1917, Security six. http://www.trausch.com/form/crossesbise.htm

I use these fiber optics on my front and rear sites on my 610 and 617, I highly recommend them CS0390R - LUMI SIGHT S&W REVOLVER ADJUSTABLE FIBER OPTIC REAR SIGHT View Larger Image CS0390R - LUMI SIGHT S&W REVOLVER ADJUSTABLE FIBER OPTIC REAR SIGHT Cylinder & Slide is now offering front and rear sight sets with fiber optic inserts for the Smith & Wesson KLN frame adjustable sight revolvers. The sight set contains a replacement adjustable rear sight blade with two fiber optic inserts and a front sight with a fiber optic insert. The front sights are available for the pin on front sight and the classic interchangeable front sight. There are two styles of front sight blade profiles, the Improved Ramp profile for easy draw from the holster and the Patridge profile for target use. The front sights are offered in .250” and .300” heights. Each sight set is provided with green and red fiber optic rods for both front and rear sight blades to allow you to install the color that best suits your needs. The sight set comes with a rear sight windage screw, windage screw nut, windage screw spring and plunger. The front and rear sight blades have been designed to give maximum protection against breakage of the fiber optic rods but allow maximum light transmission to your eyes. Complete installation instructions are provided or you can send your revolver to Cylinder and Slide for a fast turnaround installation of your sight set. Price: $82.00 All required fields are marked with a star (*). Click the 'Add To Cart' or 'Add To Wish List' button at the bottom of this form to proceed.

I used to think that Hearthco clips were not worth the price. I tried most of the others and finally concluded they were the very best. I use them now exclusively during competition and use the cheap moonclips for practice. I also use a speed-e-rack and swear by the BMT loaders mentioned above. You can reach Dave Hearth here: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showuser=3461

"FWIW, I have some problems with blurred vision" I had prescription glasses made with close reading set for the lens of my strong eye and distance for my weak eye. It made a significant improvement to my site picture and accuracy. My COF also improved because I could see my sites better!

"I still really struggle to hit six inch plates at 15 to 25 " I used to have this problem so here is what I did: prescription glasses with the strong eye as close reading vs distance for the weak eye, fiber optics for the front and rear sights and I cock the hammer and shoot single action on 25 yard plates. Together a huge improvement. I shoot major with my S&W 610 using 180 g 40 cal. Good luck

My first revolver was a 6 inch 617 10 shot. When it comes to deciding how many rounds just ask yourself : do I want to practice shooting or practice reloading? The DS-10 speed loaders and loading blocks are inexpensive and highly recommended. I shoot revolvers in NRA PPC as well as USPSA/IPSC. My PPC revolver is a totally tricked out 686 with a 6 inch bull barrel. My IPSC revolver is a model 610 with a six and half inch barrel. Every time I go to the range for practice I will put down 200- 250 rounds 22lr in the 617. I will then shoot between 100 and 150 rounds of the competition revolver of choice for that evening. Meanwhile in the booth beside me my wife is banging away on her 5 inch 627 PC eight shot. If I am not using the 617 then she is. You may wish to consider that a longer sight radius of 6 inches will give you more precision than a shorter barrel of 4 inches. The 617 is also the gun my kids learned to shoot with. I shoot more bullets with my 617 than any of my other revolvers and pistols. It is extremely accurate, 100% reliable and has a butter smooth trigger. I highly recommend the 617 10 shot.

I have a competition Apex firing pin in my S&W 610, which made a significant improvement in failure to fire. Once I started to use only Federal factory ammo in IPSC/USPAS competition the reliability increased again. I practice with reloads. Now whenever I get a dud I can trace the fault directly to a warped moonclip.

Our relationship with moonclips is much improved using the B.M.T. Mooner. My wife uses one for her 627PC and I have one for my 610. One twist on one twist off, a marvel of technology. We highly recommend them. http://www.bmtequipped.com/products.php My wife also likes 5star 8N block for practice: http://www.5starfirearms.com/357_n.html

You may want to consider Trausch Grips. I have them on my S&W 610, 627, 625 and Ruger Security Six. I highly recommend them. Here is a review of them at gunblast: http://www.gunblast.com/Trausch.htm I compete in PPC and USPSA/IPSC. Accuracy and major power factor recoil management are excellent with Trausch Grips. I've owned most available on the market, wood and rubber and these are the best by far.

Here is the tool: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=774/Product/S-W-REBOUND-SLIDE-SPRING-TOOL Here is how to use it: http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-install-spring-kit-revolver-204279/ I also use the Apex competition Extended firing pin: https://apextactical.com/store/product-info.php?pid2.html This sounds like a simple job for a qualified gunsmith (complicated and unreliable for the rest of us, as your busted springs demonstrate?) So it sounds like you'll have to spend some money, get a quotation before authorizing the work? Good luck

It's 4.2" maximum length. Yes thank you, I stand corrected

Hi Here is how i have my Ruger Security Six set up: Ruger six loading block J-KTR : http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=12499/Product/SAFARILAND-SPEEDLOADER-LOADING-BLOCKS 02 safariland comp lll speed loaders for Ruger six http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=12501/Product/COMP-III-SPEEDLOADER Trausch grips photos on Ruger six : http://rugerforum.net/ruger-double-action/42905-security-six-pics-3.html Buy Trausch grips here: http://www.trausch.com/form/crossesbise.htm Have fun!

4 inch barrels are prohibited in Canada therefore the US IDPA has a special clause for Canadian competitors to visit and compete with our longer barrels. Ruger makes its Revolvers just a bit over 4 inches and therefore are sold in Canada. Does that mean American owners of Ruger DA revolvers cannot compete because of the 4 inch rule? The more the merrier I say.

Mike In the USPSA / IPSC competitions we often need to shoot one handed with our weak hand and as well as our strong hand using major power factor. The Trausch revolver grips help me maintain a consistently firm hold. You are right Mike that the strongest squeeze on the grips will be best. A simple improvement in firearms technology will help the rest of us.

Trausch Grips are your solution: I have them on my S&W 610,625, 627 and Ruger Security Six. Here is an article on them: http://www.gunblast.com/Trausch.htm Revolvers tend to roll up past the web of your hand. Pistols like the 1911, have a beaver tail which minimizes the rocking upwards. The Trausch grips have a beaver tail like shape which is superb in management of high power loads and comfortable at all times. This guys got some nice pics: http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/revolver-talk/62630-my-s-w-66-2-trausch-grips.html My order was delivered in three days, order them here: http://www.trausch.com/form/crossesbise.htm

Welcome to revolver shooting! You may compete in (SSR) Stock Service Revolver with your fine Ruger as per section 6 of the rule book. Download a copy and consider your rules on holster, speed loaders and speed loader carrieriers. I use and strongly recommend Safariland Comp Level lll speed loaders because they have a spring to snap the rounds into the cylinder all at once and the tall handle makes for easy grasp. You seemed concerned with ejecting empty casings? Dry fire practice is the best solution: get used to correctly working the ejector rod in your reload routine. That is all that is essential to success. If you want to spend money consider: You may also have a qualified gunsmith with revolver experience champher and polish your cylinders. ( I had my Ruger given a trigger job also while he had it). Put fiber optics on the front and rear sights. Go to the safety table, without any ammo, and brush out your cylinders between courses of fire to minimize powder buildup. Use the next three weeks to dry fire and get smooth with it. You may also consider USPSA / IPSC with your revolver. Stay safe and have fun. Ps Here is an excellent instruction on revolver reloading style: