robertg5322

I'm not aware of anything other than the small safety Beretta sells, which still need to be grinded.

I have those, they didn't fit in the box. Until I ground them down. It wasn't even close, I had to take a bunch of meat off both sides. You can leave the left hand side a bit larger, because the slide stop also protrudes out on that side and going any smaller than that is pointless, though it does also hamper hitting the slide stop with your thumb if you shoot right handed, so maybe not so pointless grinding it flatter, but the right hand side needs to be ground pretty flat. Basically you have the slide stop on the left hand side of the gun as your stop, and you have to grind the right side thumb safety to get thin enough to fit in the box.

You wouldn't have a link where the new flat levers are available, would you? Not these, they're the ones I bought and had to grind down. https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/safety-set-small-92x-performan-92x-perf/e02486/

I was unaware of the new flat levers.

Yeah, it'd be nicer if those replacement safeties that you're going to just grind down didn't cost $150.00, or if Beretta offered a set with flat levers like CZ does.

That's them.

Beretta makes a smaller set of safeties, they're still too big, but I bought a set just to grind to fit the Production box.

Sometimes it's better to be different. And the Van's. The VANS MAN!!!

I bet if you contacted Assailant Arms and told them you wanted the gun, but only if it came with the Vans, they'd throw in a pair of Vans with your order...

Here you go, these guys are rocking the High Point.

And if an Infinity gun could deliver that, my no-practicing, semi-blind, old, fat, C Class ass would gladly lay down the coin.

Got a flat dark earth VR80 that so far runs well with Herter's 1050 fps target loads, slugs, and buckshot. It's the one with the longer handguard. Only thing I've changed is the stock/grip to standard AR parts, and installed a mil spec buffer tube (requires an adapter plate from M3tacticaltech https://m3tacticaltech.com/products/vr80-mil-spec-adapter).

GSSF Glock 17s are $425.00 when you can find them. You're not beating that price, no matter what you do.

Everything I've seen makes the pistol seem easier than an AR 80% lower. Seen a few in action, once the bugs are worked out they seem to work. I did a Polymer80 AR lower for an AR.22 rimfire build, couldn't be happier with it. I had access to a mill so it made it much easier, but cats who've done aluminum lowers with routers say it's super simple. I'd say depending on your aptitude and confidence, decide if you want a ghost gun and go forth. You aren't saving any money on the AR versions, and sometimes Glock lovers are in the marketplace for around $200.00ish. But it's pretty cool to say you built your lower from an 80% unit.

Not arguing with the logic of giving back to companies that support the site, but 11.8% isn't negligible.

See the pics, a Brigadier is there for perspective. The lever on the left side of the gun only has to be ground to be below the slide stop, that's your limiting factor on that side. The right side lever is done after you get the left side lever at the level of the slide stop. Unless you don't care about making them flat (I didn't care, so I just ground them off as much as I could where they were still useable if I wanted to use them). If you wanted to keep the safety lever on the right side of the gun more prominent, you could also grind down the slide stop, though on mine

Finally got a chance to shoot my flat dark earth VR80, with the long handguard. Measured the gas ports beforehand, they were .086", which from what I've read is a bit on the small side. They were all the same size though, so there's that. I was a bit worried I'd have issues cycling anything but slugs or buckshot. It cycled everything from Herter's low recoil target loads (1,050 fps) to slugs and buckshot with no issues at all. Gonna need a brake, it kicks harder than my Remington 11-87 or FN SLP. Way cool gun, just wish it was the black one with the shorter handguard.

Too bad really, the APX is a pretty nice gun at a reasonable price. And if you get one of the 92X Performance guns without issues (mine has no issues so far, though only a couple thousand rounds through it to this point), they're super nice, though a better quality classic grip adapter would be a welcome improvement for those of us not enamored with the Vertec grip. I'll never understand why the don't market their stuff better.

I doubt it. The grip on the Performance is inset into the gripframe and there's a band of steela round the bottom that isn't covered by the grip panel, the A3 grip goes all the way to the bottom. Additionally the Performance grip frame is flat while the standard Beretta frames have a step at the rear part of the grip frame. There's also the thumb safety cutouts to deal with, and I'm not even sure if the grip screws will line up. df My descriptions leave a lot to be desired, these videos show the grip frames and the differences I'm talking about. Go to 2:51 on this for the Performance grip frame The intro pic shows the standard aluminum Beretta grip frame, you can go to 2:03 in the video to see more. Ultimately it's probably not an easy fix unless some enterprising grip manufacturer wants to get in the act.

Not looking for an argument, so that's a good thing. Now if we could get a movement started to get better options for a classic grip module, that'd be great...

If DNROI is going to say the modification is legal, he should formalize it (and maybe he is, what do I know?). Shouldn't require pressure from Beretta or anyone else (and I'm not saying it will require outside pressure), just him saying to me via e mail that it is so should start the process (and this may well be the case). And Beretta, the rulebook is available for anyone to download, how about making your guns designed for USPSA/IPSC Production legal in USPSA and IPSC? Or offering a set of safeties that are flat, like the CZ Shadow safeties? FFS, they sell the the larger and smaller than what comes with the gun for $150.00/set, there's no reason to not make one more set that are flat, and make money selling them, or better yet, providing them with the gun. And while I'm on my soapbox, how about a nice set of grips that give the gun the classic grip profile for those of us who are not fans of the Vertec grip. Just sayin'...

Seeing how Beretta is going to sponsor the 2021 Low Cap Nationals, it'd probably be a good idea to get this cleared up so their flagship gun can actually be seen at the match. https://uspsa.org/announcement/736

Yes, I know that. I didn't realize your question was rhetorical. Hopefully my correspondence with the Director turns the e mail into a ruling. Kind of why I cited Appendix D4 from the rulebook in my e mail to him. And if not, I don't shoot many major matches anyway, so not really a big deal for me.

Don't know. I figure I'll just print the e mail, carry it in my range bag and check with the match director of any other than club level match I shoot at before the match. If they say no, and can't be persuaded to see the light, I'll shoot my backup gun, a regular Brigadier. Not ideal, but that's life