Aircooled6racer Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Hello: I was wondering what powder etc people are using for a 9mm open Glock for Steel Challenge type stuff. I realize the comp makes a difference but just need a starting point. I plan on using HS-6 for major and 125grain bullet. I appreciate any help you guys can give me. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born-in-45 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Eric, I have a Steel Master that I use 6.1 gr of True Blue for a 133 PF. Winchester brass and primers, 124 gr MG CMJ with OAL of 1.170. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Eric, start at 4.0gr of W231 or VV320 and adjust with a 115 gr bullet until your gun works 110%. I use 231 because it is 1st accurate and 2nd it is cheap in bulk! Dont worry about the comp working..... Good luck DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tad Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 7.5gr. HS-6 with Montana Gold 95gr.hp. Goes about 1350fps. in my gun. Shoots as flat as my 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbarr Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Is really necessary to reach PF? I understand on the longer steel if your poking along at 500 fps, you lose time. But what other considerations? Thanks, A.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Is really necessary to reach PF? I understand on the longer steel if your poking along at 500 fps, you lose time. But what other considerations?Thanks, A.T. Rules require a minimum velocity of 750 FPS with a 120 PF minimum for the stop plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbarr Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Is really necessary to reach PF? I understand on the longer steel if your poking along at 500 fps, you lose time. But what other considerations?Thanks, A.T. Rules require a minimum velocity of 750 FPS with a 120 PF minimum for the stop plate. Thanks LeRoy, A.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speculatorking Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 My steel load is 4.2grs of W231 with a Zero 115g JHP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 Hello: I have found Win 231 very dirty when I tried it 2 years ago. It sounds like you guys are just using your Production loads for open 9mm. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 7.5gr. HS-6 with Montana Gold 95gr.hp. Goes about 1350fps. in my gun. Shoots as flat as my 22. What OAL are you loading these to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 Hello: I tried the 95grain load as stated above and it would not cycle the Glock 17 open pistol I made. I am going to try to bump up the load a little and see how that works. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Capizzo Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I'm liking WinSuper Target at 4.4 grains and a 115gr bullet at std 9mm length. Right about 133 PF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I have a bunch of Tg sitting here, so I went 4.4 under a 115 and left my OAl the same as always at 1.170. Soft as a babies bottom. I didn't want to tweak springs or anything in my open gun so this was a nice compromise... Sides, you know how nasty Sil gets when you download that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 Hello: I have tried 8.0 grains of HS-6 and it seems to work fine with the 95 grain Montana Golds at 1.100 OAL. I just loaded up some at 7.8 grains now to try. I think I was having some problems with the tungsten guide rod binding on the spring a bit. I replaced it with a factory guide rod and it cycles nicely now. I will try a steel guide rod next. I'll keep you posted. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 Hello: I found the load I will be going with for steel challenge type stuff. It is 7.8 grains of HS-6 and the 95 grain Montana Gold bullet. The OAL is 1.100". I also am using a Wolff 12lb recoil spring with 2 coils cut off and a Wolff steel guide rod. It is working perfectly so far. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 Hello: Chronoed the 7.8 grains of HS-6, 95 gr Montana Golds and 1.100" OAL today through a Bedell 9mm Shorty. It is right at 126 PF and shoots very flat with a 8lb recoil spring. I think it could be sprung even lighter Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Capizzo Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Thanks for the update. Its always nice to know what someone's final (if there is such a thing) decision is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgkeller Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Are the 95 grain bullets the ones listed as 380s on the MG site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audifn Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Are the 95 grain bullets the ones listed as 380s on the MG site? Yep they are. However know that if you are going to use them, you can't load them long. There is just not enough length/surface of the bullet to get a good crimp when you try and load long. We were using the 95's for our SC loads, but kept having problems with the bullets falling off the cases, when we loaded them long enough to cycle flawlessly in our steel guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgkeller Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 1.155 OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted October 24, 2009 Author Share Posted October 24, 2009 Hello: I think 1.155" may be too long for the 95 grain Montana Golds. The 1.100" length cycles fine in my Glocks, 1911 and the Open 9mm Bedell. I think if the gun is built right it should not be a problem after all aren't factory loads about that long? Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nphd2000 Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 I use 5.0 vvn340 w a 125 Zero jhp oal 1.125. G17 KKM barrel with SJC comp. About 140 PF but it shoots nice and soft and very accurate. I also use the same powder charge w/115 MG jhp but with the kkm barrel and the 115 bullet profile I have to shorten them to 1.10. In the future I am going to switch to 115 for minor steel and use the 125 Zero for major because I can load them with a longer AOL. YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I tried this load today and it would not feed very well in my open gun. I might need to lower the springs poundage and then see if they feed. Do note that this is not a good limited/production load. It might be too hot for those guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share Posted October 25, 2009 Hello: Hell no it is not a Limited or Production load. I just load it to the 1.100" OAL. The minor load I use Tite Group powder. I have not chronoed the minor Production/steel load yet for the Glock 17/34 and 1911. Although my 147 grain Precision load is very soft Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 The reason I point that out is because this load felt softer in my open gun than my production 124 gr load with Clays. So, we touched one off in a limited minor gun. Notice I said one. I still want to get this load running in my gun. Any idea how much longer you could load those bullets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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