fishnfst Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 I've just finished browsing all 13 pages of this forum. Man there is a lot of info here. Patrick I saw some misc. data that you posted using a 180grn bullet and bullseye. I am currently loading for my .45 and have lots of bullseye on hand. It would be great to be able to use it in my .40 also. On hand I also have ww231, WSF, WST, Blue Dot, International Clays and Unique. By far I have a lot of bullseye, Unique and International clays. I would like to load either a 165 grn or 180 grain to make major pf. Which of these should I try and in what combination? Just looking for starting data and I'll work up. I am currently shooting a glock 22 with the stock barrel. I will only be shooting jacketed bullets loaded as close saami spec length as my magazine will allow. My stock barrel has quite a long throat in it one that far exceeds my magazine length. Any and all info would be much appreciated. Anyone with any data using the bullseye would be much appreciated as well. Thanks Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 Hmmm. Fast powders and heavy bullets in the 40 are always a touchy thing. And in a Glock, too? I'll see what the notes have and get back to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnfst Posted March 4, 2002 Author Share Posted March 4, 2002 Should I go to a lighter bullet? If so would I still be able to make the major pf with something lighter? Or should I choose a different powder to start with? Thanks for the quick reply Patrick. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBall Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 fishnfst, I have loaded many rounds of 180gr. FMJ .40's for my G22 and G35 using WW231 but a couple of years ago I started using WST and found I like it better for both full power loads and reduced loads. A MAX loading listed in the Winchester data is 5.0gr./WST with a 180gr. bullet for 900 fps @ 28,100 psi. I use this load with a Winchester bullet in the Glocks and the Walther P99 with very good results. I'm not much on PF any longer but if memory serves me, this should be a 162 PF. ?? The 231 loading of 5.0gr. is listed as 950 fps @ 33,200 psi. PF being 171. ?? As far as MAX .40S&W loads and Glock pistols. I've never had a problem, never blown a gun but, don't use your brass too many times with full power loads. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 here is couple loads... 5.0 grns of universal/180 grn plated berry's bullet @1.135 OAL/ average velocity 965 fps out of 5 inch schueman bbl. 5.5 grns N340/180 grn plated berry's bullet @1.135 OAL/average velocity is 950 fps from same bbl above. of course YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 Stick with the 180's, and if you simply must use your supply of Bullseye, abandon your brass after four loadings or so. (I used to much more cavalier about 40 brass, but recent struggling and cursing with brass of dubious ancestry has me much more cautious.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnfst Posted March 6, 2002 Author Share Posted March 6, 2002 Thanks Patrick, I have an unlimited supply of once fired .40 brass. The brass has been shot out of berettas not glocks. I load them once and then dump them. I think I saw your load was 4.7 grains with a 180 col 1.135, using bullseye of course. I saw on the hodgdon website that the max load is 5.5 grains for a 180grn jacketed bullet. I will start with your 4.7 and work up. THanks Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted March 6, 2002 Share Posted March 6, 2002 "unlimited supply of .40 brass...fired from Berettas" And you wonder why you're such a popular guy! Chrono and be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 Glock 22s and Clays are a bad combination. Watch your brass closely to see if your barrel has adequate support. I have a 1st generation G22 and the barrel did not adequately support the brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 I use 4.3 grs. of Titegroup with a 180 gr plated bullet loaded to 1.125". I get an average of 935 fps. out of a G35. I have to bump the charge to 4.6 grs. and 1.200" OAL in my Kimber .40. The 4.3 gr load is very easy on the brass. No "guppy belly" brass even with a stock Glock barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al C Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Qball what is the oal of the 231 with 5.0grs to get a 171 pf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH6IP Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 I recommend checking out Jeff Maass's IPSC Resources page. dont remeber the site address, but he has every load known to man for IPSC, including .40, 38 super and 9x21(but not .45) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree Rat Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 Not to re-direct on the 231....but you need to try WST with 180's for 165 PF, for the the softest shooting. I load 4.6 underneath a Star 180 FMJ-FP, OAL 1.140 making 170 PF out of a Kimber. TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al C Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 Thanks guy's, but I forgot to mention I'm shooting a Glock 22. I have some loads worked up, 180 gr fmj, over 5.2 of 231, oal 1.123, 5.6, oal 1.122, 5.8, oal 1.130, and 6.2, oal 1.130, any advice is welcome. I don't want to create to much pressure. Thanks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDH Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 The Maass resource page is located at: http://home.columbus.rr.com/jmaass/index.html Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 Al, Run your OAL out to 1.135...and drop the 231 in the Glock. Try TightGroup. I am not comfortable with the 231 in my tupperware...and you are loading short, which creates more pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al C Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 Thanks, Flexmoney. How many grs of powder should I load at to make Major pf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 Nothing beats some good load books, a keen eye for pressure, and a chronograph...using someone else's recipes off the web is risky at best. That said...I have been using 4.5g of TiteGroup @ 1.135 OAL in my Glock (and a Para). So far...so good. Makes about 170pf. Start low and build up. Watch for signs of pressure. Use at your own risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al C Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 Thanks Flex, no liability expected. I just needed a starting point. I will start low and work my way up to that point. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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