Ironman Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 Hi All, I just got the G23 airsoft from my sons as a gift. This green gas gun is a kick to shoot. Yesterday we built a plate rack, single swinger and some knock downs plates. We used sheet metal, PVC pipe and some basic tools to create a fun little range. How many of you use these guns and what types of drills and targets have worked best for your IPSC/USPSA type practice. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpty1 Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 What AirSoft shooting I've done has been with a target setup much less extravagant than what you've described. I simply use dry fire kit targets to simulate full size IPSC targets. I like those because the scoring zones perfs are cut into the target to appropriate scale as well. Read more about the dry fire kit targets here: http://www.cpwsa.com/DryFireKit.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman Posted July 28, 2003 Author Share Posted July 28, 2003 cpty, Thanks for the responce. Our range is about 30 min. away from our house and you cannot shoot where I live so that is why I am getting so extravagant with my setups. Just another way to have some shooting fun when I can't get to the range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I snagged some targets after a match and have them hanging up all over my dining room, living room, hallway and den and we both just grab it and dry fire with it I banned the little balls though, they ruined the vacuum and left marks in the walls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h4444 Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I do the same,,,I just dry fire with it,,,,something to get the sights moving. I work on transitions and helping my eyes get faster. H4444 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnmd Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I use this. It has different sound effects for each area hit. I found that it really helps me with trigger control. When I have perfect trigger control I can hit the small center target. And you don't have to reuse paper and you know what you're hitting with the sound effect. I have 3 setup around my place. Square Sounding Target: http://www.airsplat.com/P_306.htm Peter BTW- I read on airsoftplayers.com - put a light source in a box and place a target in the opening. The light will shine thru after each shot and let you see where each shot went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanchezero Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I have a nice G19 airsoft. 90% of what I use it for is FOF stuff. I like the idea of the flimsy plateracks and stuff tho; hadn't thought of that. As far as trigger control, I only wish that a Glock trigger was as nice as the airsoft trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman Posted July 30, 2003 Author Share Posted July 30, 2003 Thank you all for your responses. I agree about the trigger on the airsoft being better than the stock Glock trigger. Once I get a digital camera I will post the pictures of the targets that I built. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpty1 Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Man, that's sad when a toy has a better trigger than a real weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 What's even more sad is that they are illegal here in NL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman Posted July 30, 2003 Author Share Posted July 30, 2003 Well they legal here in Kalif. But I told my sons we needed to look into the CCW laws if we wanted to play war games in the yard. Illegal in NL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 I was thinking about buying the Airsoft 1911. HOw are these things? Are they heavy like a real gun or are they really light weight? Do they make a lot of noise and does the slide operate like a real gun? Thanks, Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 I snagged some targets after a match and have them hanging up all over my dining room, living room, hallway and den and we both just grab it and dry fire with it I banned the little balls though, they ruined the vacuum and left marks in the walls! That's awesome!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman Posted July 31, 2003 Author Share Posted July 31, 2003 PistolPete, I have not tried the 1911 airsoft but the Glock 23 airsoft is very close to the same feel as a real Glock. My sons got the upgrade for me which includes a steel slide and what looks like a brass barrel. The slide functions the same as a real gun (green gas model) and the sound is like an air powered BB gun. They make spring models that you have to cock every time you want to shoot. They also have battery models for rifles and shotguns. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumboRAT Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 Hi All, I'm an airsoft enthusiast who lurks these excellent Forums for "BB-IPSC" applications. Before (some of) you frown, please know that BB-IPSC is a practiced and recognized sport in many Far-Eastern countries and is a budding sport in the UK (where there are more strict firearms restrictions), and that in search of finding more legitimacy for airsoft here in the US, it has become necessary for us airsoft enthusiasts to pursue this sporting application (in addition to the already present application of airsoft in "Force-on-Force" training of police and other law-enforcement professionals, as published in SWAT magazine and as participated-in publically by members of the MA LE community). =) As an airsoft GBB (gas-blowback; primarily meaning that the replica autopistol loads and cycles as would the "real-steel" pistol, powered by either proprietary propellants or "adapted" propellant/refrigerant gasses) pistol enthusiast, I would like to most sincerely push for those of you looking for a viable 1911/2011-type replica to invest in products by the high-quality Japanese make "Western Arms." These Western Arms replicas are of a much highly refined level than what you have seen reviewed as the KWC Caspian replica in Front Sight http://www.sportshooter.com/ipsc-uspsa/garage_ipsc.htm - and are not only very capable of being suitable for your practice needs (typical "accuracy," off-hand, is appx. 2 inch groupings at 5 meters -- out to about 5 inches at 12 meters for full-sized models, total effective range is out to about 60 to 80 ft. engaged in either wargaming activities or engaging targets that are life-sized silhouettes), but can even be tuned/upgraded much as is the case with your real-steel 1911/2011s (for example, my "BB-IPSC" Open Class blaster, equipped with a 3.5 MOA DOCTERsight, is capable of "single-hole" 8mm to 1cm groupings at 5m). Furthermore, repair/replacement parts are abundant, for the Western Arms replicas, which makes their use as high-cycle tools completely viable. Additionally, a tremendous amount of technical knowledge exists with these pieces, which will allow even the most mechanically inept to have a decent chance at being able to troubleshoot and repair his/her unit. None of these considerations hold valid for the KWC Caspian and other 1911 single-stacker replicas. If you're thinking of a 1911/2011-type airsoft replica, please consider the $200 or so cost of purchasing a good Western Arms replica of this genre not a cursory spending, but rather, an investment in the long run that will give you more realistic practice as well as much longer (nearly unlimited, with such access to repair/replacement parts) life. If you guys have any questions towards these replicas, I would be more than glad to field them to the best of what little abilities I have, or at the very least to point you in the right direction to gather further information. =) Allen aka DumboRAT PS: I do not represent nor have any ties with any airsoft retailer, distributor, importer, or manufacturer -- nor do I stand to gain financially nor in any other method from the above post. I just want to help guide you guys in the right direction so that, hopefully, the rest of the world will begin to see airsoft as more than just "a game." As for wargaming legality, please note that airsoft is currently prohibited outright (both ownership and use) in the 5 Boroughs of New York City and its use in wargaming in Orange County, California, is strictly prohibited (ownership is legal) -- aside from these outright prohibition that are widely known, legality with respect to ownership and use (i.e. discharge, wargaming, etc.) rests upon your LOCAL laws and ordinances. Please check with your local authorities before engaging in such activities. Please note that such laws can vary greatly from area-to-area, as in cities, townships, villages, etc. Overall, the import of airsoft into the US is completely legal provided that any offending trademarks are properly covered/obliterated, and the muzzle bears a proper flash orange marking. This includes GBB pistols and is up-to-date as of the writing of this post. PPS: The Western Arms double-stackers typically weigh-in at just over 1 Kilogram (1000 to 1200 grams, or about 2.5 to 3 pounds). Single-stackers typically weigh in at between 900 to 1100 grams. Various upgrades/modifications may add or decrease weight, and most items sought-after for real-steel replication (i.e. sight rail, slide racker, etc.) can be had in an aftermarket fashion to simulate your own real-steel blaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnmd Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 I agree with DumboRat. I have the Western Arms SV Pro Killer. It's gas blowback so slide recoils like a real gun- but not as strong of course. It's basically an SV Infinity. Weight is 3 lbs, pretty heavy and sturdy. It's expensive about $200 but is the most accurate and best out there. The WA SV actually can be used in my ghost holster- that's how similar it is to the real thing. http://www.airsplat.com/P_383.htm Actually my newest shooting aid is the Beamhit. It really is dry firing on steroids. It's a very nice device. Cost $365 though. But worth every penny IMO. This is true trigger control test. I'm a convert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman Posted July 31, 2003 Author Share Posted July 31, 2003 I just went to the Western Arms website. A lot of the cool SV guns were either out of stock or sold out. They do take reservations for the new ones they are making. Are the barrels rifled or smooth? Thanks to all of you for your input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnmd Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Jim, try Ebay. Also try these two sites. I've ordered from them with good results. They're both based in the US: http://www.airsplat.com http://www.precisionairsoft.com/index.htm And if you really want the best try Western Arms' Shibuya Custom shop version- top of the line parts... http://www.wa-gunnet.co.jp/english/cool/cool.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnmd Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 nice Airsoft Western Arms SVI Infinity on Ebay -- someone can try to get it on the cheap: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...&category=31685 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumboRAT Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Jim and All, For the airsoft goods, aside from eBay (as with all else eBay, be dead sure of the seller's reputation, there are clones/mistakes/etc. out there!), try airsoft retailers in the US. The Western Arms official website cites "out of stock" etc. due to their smaller production schedule (relative to our American industries), and does not reflect the stock that they've sold to the distributors nor the level of availability on the retail mass-market. US retailers to try include: http://www.AirsoftArms.com http://www.AirsoftAtlanta.com http://www.AirsoftExtreme.com http://www.CombatDepot.com AirsoftMarine: http://airsoftmarine.net/index.htm http://www.AirsoftTactical.com http://www.GunKulture.com Note that most of these retailers will have trademarks for their replicas "permanently" removed. If you have questions regarding this cosmetic point (i.e. cosmetic restoration), please contact me privately, as trademark violations during the import process is a serious offense for these retailers. And since import of such products are fully legal as long as the trademarks are properly covered and the barrel/muzzle is blaze-orange painted, you can also order these items from overseas: DEN Trinity: http://www.dentrinityshop.com/index_ie.jsp Wargamer's Club Shop: http://www.wargameclub.com/WGC_Shop/ RedWolf Airsoft Specialists: http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/ UN Company: http://www.uncompany.com/ Note that although the price of the item is significantly reduced from US prices, their shipping will typically tack on anywhere from $25-$35 per GBB replica (additional products ordered incurs LESS shipping incrementally as international shipping is based on a "base-rate + weight" ratio, thus, an order of, say, three GBBs may only incur, say, $45 to $50 shipping). These retailers operate via a "quote" system whereby you submit your shopping cart on-line, and they return via e-mail to you with a quoted price including shipping. You are NOT obligated to make the purchase, as the quote is just that, a quote. Customs clearance is guaranteed by each retailer as long as you stick with their approved trademark removal and barrel painting processes (which they do for you at no additional cost) and pay/ship by their specified methods. Similar to the above consideration, should any of you be concerned with the cosmetic restoration of the replica's trademarks, again, please contact me privately. These are all my trusted retail sources. And I trust that unless something unforeseen happens (as there's always that possibility, even when you buy Mercedes/Lexus or stay at the Ritz or the Four Seasons), these sources will have you well covered. And, as you can see, Jim, there are many more options available to you through these sources. =) Hope this helps! Allen aka DumboRAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 I can't add much to DumboRAT's post, except to say that Airsoft Extreme is local here in the Bay Area and has really crappy customer service if you're not twentysomething - but the products are outstanding, and if ya catch the dude in a good mood, you can get some really decent information out of him! Also, once he realized we weren't buying this thing for our kids, but we were "real" shooters, he defrosted a tad too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liota Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 I snagged some targets after a match and have them hanging up all over my dining room, living room, hallway and den and we both just grab it and dry fire with it I banned the little balls though, they ruined the vacuum and left marks in the walls! Did I tell you about spackling the 2 x 2 x .5 inch hole in the wall when we left Hawaii from one of those things? The inspector came in and looked. I got the spackle and cleared the little problem up while he was in the other room. Then I prayed a lot that he wouldn't notice the BIG white splotch that far down on the wall. He didn't even look at that end of the house. All that hard work gone to waste! Just remember, always put up more that one layer of cardboard. Liota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Larry Cazes Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Looks like you guys are gonna cost me some money! I just got back from Airsoft Extreme here in San Jose. I am considering one of the WA SV 5" limited guns or the P14-45 Para repro. Will these BBs go through a standard IPSC silhouette? Are they pretty reliable? Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liota Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Larry, They will go through a standard IPSC target. See my post above. The hole was through two boxes. Liota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Do you need to rack the slide after every shot or does it operate like a regular gun? I don't see how it could generate enough pressure to operate the slide. I could see the gas powered guns operating the slide but what about the spring operated guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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