Bedell Shorty 38SC loads

[G-ManBart]

Hey all,

Yes, I did a search on this and found some info, but it was a little older and thought maybe people have updated loads with the recent VV shortage. I'm not worrying about powder availability now, just finding out what people prefer in their gun....recoil, dot movement etc.

Just bought a Bedell Shorty and have spoken with Dan about loads for it. He recommends either VV 3n37 or N-350 so that's where I'm giong to start, for obvious reasons. With that said, I'm looking to pick up a few powders (already have a stash of Zero .355 125gr JHPs to start out with) to do some load development with. I've already got some 3n37 and AA#7 left over from my old Super. What do you recommend trying?

[HSMITH]

Bart, a friend has one and runs N350 and 4756 in it. The 350 loads are nice if you can get 350, 4756 is a little more blast and a little more violent but completely shootable. If you can get Ramshot Silhouette it is well worth trying. 3N-37 works great but puts a LOT of heat in the gun, hard to practice with it and it is also going to be really hard to find right now.

N105 is good too if you can take the blast.

[Jaxshooter]

I shoot an SV IMM Shorty. I load 10.4 gr 3N38 with a 125 gr Zero JHP, WSRP loaded to 1.235 OAL. That is for an AET hybrid barrel, you can start lower and work your way up. The load works the comp very well and is accurate.

[G-ManBart]

Bart, a friend has one and runs N350 and 4756 in it. The 350 loads are nice if you can get 350, 4756 is a little more blast and a little more violent but completely shootable. If you can get Ramshot Silhouette it is well worth trying. 3N-37 works great but puts a LOT of heat in the gun, hard to practice with it and it is also going to be really hard to find right now.

N105 is good too if you can take the blast.

Thanks Howard,

I can get both 350 and 3N37, and might have a source for some N105, but I'm waiting on a call back about it. I didn't know 3N37 ran that hot, but I've got some to try. I've heard a lot of good things about 350 so that's probably where I'm going to start first. Silhouette sounds like it's worth a shot and I know some folks are having good luck with HS-6 as well so I might pick up a pound of each to try.

I'm not planning on shooting much Open this year, but want to have settled on something for all of next year and then buy in quantity as it's available.

[G-ManBart]

I shoot an SV IMM Shorty. I load 10.4 gr 3N38 with a 125 gr Zero JHP, WSRP loaded to 1.235 OAL. That is for an AET hybrid barrel, you can start lower and work your way up. The load works the comp very well and is accurate.

I've read some say 3n38 gives them a lot of blast and less predictable dot tracking....have you noted either?

I'm not too worried about the blast, but I do practice a bit at an indoor range close by (no outdoor ranges in town).

[vettman1]

I'm using 8gr of PowerPistol with 125gr 9mm Zero hp with WSP primers.

[Jaxshooter]

My dot is very steady and easy to track it barely moves.

[G-ManBart]

My dot is very steady and easy to track it barely moves.

Cool...thanks, I'll add that to the "to try" list!

[uscbigdawg]

Bart,

Since your gun is basically the same design concept as a Viper, I'll glean some info (XRe would be a great source too).

115gr. CMJ's with N350 is what I'm running now at about 168-170PF. Big thing is getting the volume of gas to let the hybrid ports and comps do their job. Under the old power factor, I ran with a 124 and at a 178-180PF. In both cases it tracked as smooth as silk.

In comparing info with Dave though, you want to definitely try 7625. Super smooth and flat load. Again, play with the 115's and 124's (all MGB's).

Another GREAT bullet to try is the MGB 121gr. IFP bullet. This lil' guy is SUPER accurate and acts like a lighter bullet so again...pump up the gas volume. Making major is a breeze though.

Rich

[G-ManBart]

Bart,

Since your gun is basically the same design concept as a Viper, I'll glean some info (XRe would be a great source too).

115gr. CMJ's with N350 is what I'm running now at about 168-170PF. Big thing is getting the volume of gas to let the hybrid ports and comps do their job. Under the old power factor, I ran with a 124 and at a 178-180PF. In both cases it tracked as smooth as silk.

In comparing info with Dave though, you want to definitely try 7625. Super smooth and flat load. Again, play with the 115's and 124's (all MGB's).

Another GREAT bullet to try is the MGB 121gr. IFP bullet. This lil' guy is SUPER accurate and acts like a lighter bullet so again...pump up the gas volume. Making major is a breeze though.

Rich

Rich,

Thanks for the info....btw, my gun doesn't have the popple holes, seems Dan shot them side by side with and without and couldn't see any difference so most of the new guns don't have them....not a huge difference from what you're running though. I have read a lot of XRe's posts on it and they've been a great start.

I managed to order some Zero .355 125gr JHPs, and will definitely try some 115s and I really like the idea of that 121 IFP. I also managed to get two 4lb kegs of N350 on the way to me via a friend at a match with a vendor that had stock on hand, so that's going to be what I'll use to get an initial load. I figure that ought to give me a solid working load to start out with. Then I'm going to try to get some 3n38, 7625 and 4756 and maybe even N-105 among others for testing. Heck, if I really like one of those better I'm pretty sure I'd be able to sell the 350! R,

[uscbigdawg]

If you don't have the hybrid ports (i.e. through the barrel) then N105 is the ticket! Super smooth and you won't believe you're making PF.

Rich

[Supermoto]

For my Bedell shorty in super, I am running 8.9gr of 4756 under either 124gr Montana or 125gr Zero. making 170pf at around 90 degree, when the temp goes back down I will slowly drop the charge to around 8.6 for the winter time

Edited August 20, 2007 by Supermoto

[G-ManBart]

For my Bedell shorty in super, I am running 8.9gr of 4756 under either 124gr Montana or 125gr Zero. making 170pf at around 90 degree, when the temp goes back down I will slowly drop the charge to around 8.6 for the winter time

Thanks...I'm going to get some 4756 to try. I figure with four or five powders to try I'm bound to find something I like!

[HSMITH]

Bart,m 4756 is an EXTREMELY inconsistent powder from lot to lot. If you like it get a LOT of it, 8 pounds MINIMUM. A case will be even better. Not saying it is a bad powder, just saying get enough where you don't have to work up loads every couple weeks...

[G-ManBart]

Bart,m 4756 is an EXTREMELY inconsistent powder from lot to lot. If you like it get a LOT of it, 8 pounds MINIMUM. A case will be even better. Not saying it is a bad powder, just saying get enough where you don't have to work up loads every couple weeks...

Howard,

Thanks. I'd read that somewhere as well. I also heard that it wasn't temp stable either...yikes. I'm pinning my hopes on N-350 now as I have 8lbs of it...woo hoo. I figure that will get me a decent, usable load and then I can play around and see if I like anything else better.

[NogNog]

For my Bedell shorty in super, I am running 8.9gr of 4756 under either 124gr Montana or 125gr Zero. making 170pf at around 90 degree, when the temp goes back down I will slowly drop the charge to around 8.6 for the winter time

I have a new Bedell shorty in 38 SC as well. I know that this post has been posted a year ago, but I am curious or would want to know what the OAL for this load.

Thanks

Edited May 17, 2008 by NogNog

[Supermoto]

For my Bedell shorty in super, I am running 8.9gr of 4756 under either 124gr Montana or 125gr Zero. making 170pf at around 90 degree, when the temp goes back down I will slowly drop the charge to around 8.6 for the winter time

I have a new Bedell shorty in 38 SC as well. I know that this post has been posted a year ago, but I am curious or would want to know what the OAL for this load.

Thanks

1.250 OAL,

I am now running 115s, using 9.6gr to make 168pf

[NogNog]

For my Bedell shorty in super, I am running 8.9gr of 4756 under either 124gr Montana or 125gr Zero. making 170pf at around 90 degree, when the temp goes back down I will slowly drop the charge to around 8.6 for the winter time

I have a new Bedell shorty in 38 SC as well. I know that this post has been posted a year ago, but I am curious or would want to know what the OAL for this load.

Thanks

1.250 OAL,

I am now running 115s, using 9.6gr to make 168pf

Thanks Supermoto. That was quick

[G-ManBart]

For my Bedell shorty in super, I am running 8.9gr of 4756 under either 124gr Montana or 125gr Zero. making 170pf at around 90 degree, when the temp goes back down I will slowly drop the charge to around 8.6 for the winter time

I have a new Bedell shorty in 38 SC as well. I know that this post has been posted a year ago, but I am curious or would want to know what the OAL for this load.

Thanks

1.250 OAL,

I am now running 115s, using 9.6gr to make 168pf

Thanks Supermoto. That was quick

Depending on the bullet, sometimes 1.250 will hang up on the ejector when you go to unload and show clear. I've settled on 1.235" and it's worked nicely.

I have two loads I'm really happy with so far. MG 121gr IFP over 7.90gr of N350 at 1.235" makes 170-171pf (170.8 last time). The other is a MG 115gr JHP over 10.0gr of 3N38 at 1.235"...right at 169pf. The first is my normal load and the second is what I think I may be switching too....just haven't shot enough of them to tell whether I really like them better, but my initial impression is that's where I'm going.

I'm still playing around with the 121s and 3n38 along with the 115s and N350, but haven't had a chance to do enough to really tell much.

[Supermoto]

Depending on the bullet, sometimes 1.250 will hang up on the ejector when you go to unload and show clear. I've settled on 1.235" and it's worked nicely.

This is true. Mine just sneak out when I unload, show clear. I'm using a Brazos tuned ejector

[ap38]

I use N-350, 7.9 with a 124 bullet. I tried 7625 and 3n38, but like the 350 better.

SVI 4 port hybrid, noisy but effective!

[pmd]

Here's a couple spreadsheets showing my chrony results using two different guns and three different barrels (see notes).

Both guns are 38super shorties (they were 9major shorties).

Gun #1 has a 9mm AET barrel chambered to 38super.

Gun#2 has a .355 KKM barrel and a 38super AET barrel.

As an fyi I've been using the 8.8gr 3N37 w/115 MG JHPs - but I am still playing with the 8.5gr 3N37 w/121HAP. Need to see what results I get once in the Ranson Rest..

I did like the feel of the N105 - but supply seems to be short.

Hope this helps.

Edited May 19, 2008 by pmd

[Cardinal]

Sorry for bumping this after a month, but I figured I could add my results.

First, I new to Open, so I can't comment too much about the behaviour (dot tracking with one load vs another, etc) yet.

Gun: Bedell Shorty with two poppleholes

Brass: Starline 38SC

Bullet: 124gr Frontier

OAL: 1.255"

Primers: Federal SR

Barrel: 4.5" Shuemann AET

Powder - Charge - Mv - PF - SD - ES

N350 7.3 1267 155.8 15.1 40.0

N350 7.5 1292 158.9 6.0 18.0

N350 7.7 1312 161.4 6.0 15.0

N350 7.9 1339 164.7 12.0 37.0

N350 8.1 1345 165.4 12.8 46.0

N350 8.2 1361 167.4 10.7 29.0

3N38 8.8 1241 152.6 11.9 31.0

3N38 9.0 1247 153.4 11.5 44.0

3N38 9.2 1283 157.8 12.7 36.0

3N38 9.4 1319 162.2 6.0 19.0

3N38 9.6 1351 166.2 6.0 16.0

3N38 9.7 1361 167.7 6.0 17.0

To my surprise, the Frontier bullets had excellent accuracy considering the price.

2" 5 shot group at 30m from a rest.

I've settled on the 9.7/3N38 and 8.2/N350 for possible loads.

N350 was much more pleasant to shot so for now thats what I'll use for a match this weekend.

3N38 had more of a blast/concussion and also occasionaly a huge fireball compared to the N350.

Though one should take into account that this was indoors, surrounded by concrete. So it might be ok outdoors.

[NogNog]

Since I chronoe'd my rounds yesterday, let's revive this thread.

Both test rounds were chronoe'd 5-minutes apart on a 78 degree humid afternoon (10-rounds each test).

I got the major PF that I want from both test rounds (167-170 PF). However, I find it weird to get these results from my loads considering the OAL and powder charge between the bullets I chronoe'd (see Test one VS. Test Two info).

I got a slower velocity using 8.3 grns of 4756 behind 9mm-155 grns Zero JHP with Small Rifle Primer, OAL 1.240" vs. 8.2 grns of 4756 behind 9mm-125 grns MGB CMJ with Win Small Pistol Primer OAL=1.250"????

Bedell Shorty with Bedell titanium 7-port comp on a .355 KKM bbl-no holes:

Test one:

Starline 38 Supercomp brass

9mm-125 grns Zero JHP bullet

SR 4756

8.3 Grains

CCI Small Rifle Primer

OAL = 1.240"

Velocity = 1338-1345 fps

PF = 167 - 168

Test Two:

Starline 38 Supercomp brass

9mm-125 grns MGB CMJ bullet

SR 4756

8.2 Grains

Win Small Pistol Primer

OAL = 1.250"

Velocity = 1354-1360 fps

PF = 169 - 170

Edited July 20, 2008 by NogNog

[G-ManBart]

I'll kick in a little more data after my chrono session yesterday. It was 90 degrees F, about 70% humidity (very high for here) and sunny.

New Nickel Starline 38SC cases

10.50gr VV N105

115gr MG JHP

1.245" oal

WSR primer

Avg 1482fps

PF 170.4

New Nickel Starline SC cases

10.00gr VV 3N38

115gr MG JHP

1.240" oal

WSR primer

Avg 1484 fps

PF 170.6

2x fired Starline SC cases

9.50gr VV 3N38

121gr MG IFP

1.235" oal

WSR primer

Avg 1409 fps

PF 169.9

2x fired Starline SC cases

8.20gr VV N350

115gr MG CMJ

1.230" oal

WSR primer

Avg 1444fps

PF 166.0

Note, this is the second time I've tested this load. Last time at 54 degrees F, it was 1463fps and PF 168.2

I'll also throw my standard 121gr load out there as well...last chrono'd at 54 degrees F.

2x fired Starline SC cases

7.90gr VV N350

121gr MG IFP

1.235" oal

WSR primer

Avg 1415fps

PF 170.7

All of the above are out of a Bedell shorty in 38SC with a .355 KKM barrel with no popple holes and Bedell's Ti 7-port comp.