raz-0 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Ok, I searhced and searched, but the reality is everyone tends to call it WSF and that's too short to find. So here goes. What's everyone's opinion on winchester super field as a powder? I'm currently shooting titegroup, but getting a major load out of my M&P that is accurate is proving to be a problem. Not to mention that it is REALLY heating up the gun compared to using it for major loads in .45 or for 140pf 9mm. Also, following hodgdon's load data and maxing at 4.7gr, I really don't have much margin for major. IIRC (posting from work), I was only at about 168pf average, was testing in cold weather, and my experience with titegroup in 9mm is that if I leave the loaded ammo out in the sun, measured velocity drops. I'm also shooting 180gr berry's plated, which is probably the source of accuracy issues at major PF, but with major laods I'm also getting lead spirals on targets which I'm not with minor loadings. Crimp is very minimal, so it is either the rifling cutting the plating, or the powder burning thorugh it I guess. Hopes are something that is a bit slower might not do that. I'm limited to an OAL of no more than 1.135 (gun can cycle up to about 1.175 but only if the mags stay absolutely pristene, which they don't during a match). I thought I might try universal clays as it has more headroom for making major, but lots of folks say the SD is high. My SD with titegroup isn't that hot either. So, is WSF any good for making major out of a 4.25" barrel? Pluses/minuses/etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 WSF is a good, SAFE, powder for major .40 and 10mm loads, plus +P .45 acp loads. Get a pound and try it. I think you might have better results accuracy wise with the slower burning WSF. Just make sure to use a simple crimp die, not a Lee Factory crimp die, and adjust the crimp down until the crimp almost leaves a faint line on the bullet. This entails making up a dummy round and pulling the bullet several times with a kinetic puller, but the results are worth it if you are loading plated. Good luck and give it a try. DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) I use WSF for 9x19, 40SW and 45ACP. It's cheaper(I get 8lb for $90), my barrel doesn't get as hot compared to shooting TG or w231, and my gun stays much cleaner. I haven't been able to bring up hodgdon reloading data site in a while (data.hodgdon.com), but found this at archive.org... http://wwpowder.com/data/handgun/40sw.php Archive WW Powder Site Edited July 19, 2007 by HoMiE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revchuck Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) I use WSF for 9x19, 40SW and 45ACP. It's cheaper(I get 8lb for $90), my barrel doesn't get as hot compared to shooting TG or w231, and my gun stays much cleaner.I haven't been able to bring up hodgdon reloading data site in a while (data.hodgdon.com), but found this at archive.org... http://wwpowder.com/data/handgun/40sw.php Archive WW Powder Site Here's the Hodgdon URL: http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp They show a max load of 6.2 grains of WSF for a 180 grain JHP loaded to 1.135" OAL giving 1040 fps from a 5" barrel. Edited July 19, 2007 by revchuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Doh! Figured it out. (You must have cookies enabled to use this site) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz-0 Posted July 23, 2007 Author Share Posted July 23, 2007 ok, was asking aorund in RL too, and was told WSF is more than a bit temperature sensitive, with velocity dropping off a fair ammount when it gets hot. More things to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 WSF is still the most accurate powder I have loaded in 9mm and 40. As clean as TG, WAY less heat, more consistent with temp changes, and just all around a better powder. The reason I don't use it for major 40 is it is a little 'pushy' feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan45kim Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 WSF is the only pistol powder I use any more; I load it in 9mm, 40, and 45acp (sorry I don’t shoot open). There are better powders for 45ACP but I have not found better for my 9mm and 40s (I should say the 45 is my carry gun I don’t shoot it in matches and WSF is great for hot 45s). I tried the fast powders everyone here raves about but ran into pressure issues so I’m sticking with my WSF (I will add that most people love those fast powders so I’m in the minority here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L9X25 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 I used WSF as a cleaner alternative to 540 on a major 9 gun years ago. While I doubt it would be problem with .40, it loses it's linear qualities at higher pressures. Be careful if you try to push the limits with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunracer38 Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 I used WSF as a cleaner alternative to 540 on a major 9 gun years ago. While I doubt it would be problem with .40, it loses it's linear qualities at higher pressures. Be careful if you try to push the limits with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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