jeffham222 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Well anyone got any ideas? Using 5.0gr of Titegroup right now, with 165gr Montana golds and Federal primers, but wanting to go to a heavier bullet. What I am hoping to do is make the whole process cheaper--Montana golds are too expensive, but I like using only 5gr of powder per round. Going to use the Master Blaster 180gr .40. Also I would like powder that has a better tolerance for differences in heat and altitude (currently @ 2200'), and it gets to about 110 in the summer. I know for the winter I will have to load up, but would like some ideas as to achieve the above goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCK Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 VV320 is almost idetical to Tightgroup in burn rate, is VERY clean and in my experience, is not affected by temperature changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 A good place to start is to use the Search Feature. This one was with 180 and moly as a query. You might also try 180 and Precision or similar.... Welcome to the Forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I believe "the book" says around 4.7 grains of TG for the 180s loaded short (1.135"). I shot TG side by side with N320 and noticed it took about .2 grains less for TG to equal what N320 does at longer lengths like 1.160". I'm running 5.0 grains of N320 with a 180 loaded to 1.160". I tried 4.8 of TG and got the same velocity. I try for about 950 to equal the factory velocity. I thought TG sounded louder but they were otherwise very close. A local guy shooting .45 ACP with TG sounds like his loads are full power but are only about 175 PF...? TG is my second choice for .40 and if you use the PB 185 bullets you can back off a few tenths.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Hello: I hate doing a search as well. I use 185 Precision, 1.180 OAL, Win primers and 4.2 Tite Group powder out of a 5" 1911 or 2011. It makes major at 80 degrees so you may want to try 4.1 grains. Hope this helps. Thanks Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_kahuna Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Jeff, Titegroup is probably the most popular; takes about 4.4 grains to make 170 PF with 180 MBB's at 1.135 in my G35 depending on ambient temperature (but YMMV). This is three tenths grain below textbook max and I used this load last summer (before I switched to WSF). I consider it safe (in MY gun) in our high-desert environment. We can break out a chrono and see how it works in your G22 if you like. If you don't like TG, consider WSF and Universal Clays. Load data can be found at the Hodgdon website. Both powders make major in my gun at or near starting loads, so lots of margin if you are concerned about temperature sensitivity. Regards, Caesar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear23 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 STI 5" 2011. I use 4.6 of TG with a zero 180 grain. Loaded to 1.190", it yields 173 PF. 65 degrees and i sit at about 4000 feet elevation. If i use a precision 185, i can go 4.4 and still make major easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 4.4 grains for Titegroup under a 180 masterblaster moly makes 169 -170 PF in my 5" KKM barreled SV. N320 IS cleaner (shot it before switching to TG), but since your're shooting a moly/lead bullet anyway (which still smoke slightly, but not as much has lubed lead), I can't tell much difference in my gun. I'm happy with Tightgroup, costs MUCH less, AND I can actually find it locally in shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I am working up loads right now for 185 gr Precision bullets with VV N-320. I was using 5 gr of N-320 with a 180 gr Zero JHP. I reduced the load to 4.6 and it is still a little hot. I would start at 4.2 gr and work up from there if you switch to N-320. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Sti Edge 5.0" 4.3 gr of Titegroup using a MB 180gr bullet, loaded to 1.180".....runs 169pf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFD Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I don't know about coated lead, but with plain cast bullets Titegroup smokes worse than anything else I tried. Universal Clays is a lot better, but I quit fooling around with lead bullets before I did a lot of testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Most of the smoke usually comes from a combination of the lube used on cast bullets, how it mixes with the burning powder, and to a certain degree humidity. Moly coated bullets smoke much less than regular lead bullets in my experience. What smoke is left is mostly differences in powders at that point. Of course, jacketed is still best for reducing smoke. YRMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Griffin Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 MB 180 over 4.4 of TG from a Glock 35 stock barrel chrono'd at 175pf at DoubleTap. 4.3 was giving me 169~ or so every time, but I wanted some wiggle room. H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 I'm running 5.0 gr of Hodgdon HP-38 at 1.18 OAL with 185 gr Precision bullets. This makes 170 pf out of my stock 5" STI Edge bull barrel. I tried Titegroup but the HP-38 was less smokey. I haven't tried N320 yet just because of cost. I would like to try plain Clays but haven't gotten that brave yet. I know Henning says he uses plain Clays loaded to I believe 10mm lengths. The VV burn rate chart shows HP-38 at about the same burn rate as N310 and faster than N320. I like the recoil feel that the HP-38 gives. http://www.vihtavuori-lapua.com/chartVihta.asp Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 How clean is Universal Clays compared to VV N-320? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoterbeast Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Currently using N320 and Master Blaster Poly's - using 4.6 to get to majoy - loading long (1.220) works good. Powder pricey but nice loads - bullets reasonably priced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sargenv Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 When I was shooting Limited with Bear creek 180's I was utilizing 5.0 gr of 231 at a seated OAL of 1.175". I could load them as long as 1.900 but opted for a ttad shorter in case the bullet wanted to jump forward under recoil. I think this load out of my 5" para made like 173 or 174 at area 2 a few years back. No it was not as clean as most modern day powders, but the gun ran at least 1500-2000 rounds before needing cleaning. It was good for a couple of month's matches and practices. For tightgroup I was running 4.7 at 1.175" and that too as I recall made about 170 ish pf. Vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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